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CONLANG  October 2015, Week 4

CONLANG October 2015, Week 4

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Re: Theory: THEORY Conlanging advice

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Decremental Bug <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 22 Oct 2015 18:06:24 +0530

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Padraic, this was one of the most inspiring passages about conlanging I
ever read :) Thanks.


On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:10 PM, Padraic Brown <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Anonymous wrote:
>
> > I am relatively new to Conlanging, so I would appreciate some advice.
> > I am in the process of making my first Conlang based on a fictional
> world that I created some years ago.
> > I have thus far been following the model from "zompist.com" (
> http://www.zompist.com/kitlong.html).
> > I have categorised my phonology and morphology. I am currently using a
> Roman and Devanagari orthographic system with diacritics as well as some
> > Norse and Greek figures, such as: ð, þ, Ø and Φ. Also made are the
> grammatical cases, affixes, effective affixes and a very small lexicon.
> > Would anyone have any advice as to how I might continue construction?
> > A methodical plan of attack?
> > Where to go next?
>
> <delurk>
>
> Much will depend on your philosophy, your own ideas on what conlanging
> actually is. You're a beginner, so you may or may not have thought about
> this much. Me, my take is that glossopoesy is first and foremost Art. A
> conlang exists to open the eyes (and ears!) to a new and wonderful
> consideration of what is; to open a new door into Faerie; to reveal what
> was previously and hitherto unrevealed. A conlang must tell a story, and
> that story is of the people that speak it and the world they live in. So
> ask yourself first, who are these people that speak this language? What
> kind of world do they live in? It could be *here* -- the primary world. It
> could be *elsewhere* -- some otherworld. I skimmed over the LCK you linked
> to, and I think it presents a backward method. It starts you out on
> phonology, when you don't even know who's talking this language, what their
> history or their religion or their mythology is. Those are the things I
> would start with, and only worry about phonology later. But you've already
> done some of that, so no worries there. Now might be a good time to explore
> the who and the where!
>
> As for methodical planning, I can only speak to how I would go about it.
> Again, it will be a matter of your own take on construction methodology.
> Mine happens to be one of *language discovery* rather than language
> construction. So I tend to start a new conlang with a story -- and see what
> comes of it. For me, the language is already there. It's just waiting for
> me to learn it and reveal it as I go. It's like a block of marble --
> there's *already a beautiful statue of a nymph in there* -- tis just a
> matter of chipping away the bits. Starting out with a story can seem
> daunting, especially if you don't have a lot of vocabulary; but I find this
> is a great way to quickly learn about the culture of the language's
> speakers and a great way to build a strong lexicon.
>
> Where to go next is, of course, second star to the right and straight on
> til morning! Just dive in among your language and its people and find out
> all you can about them -- learn what they like to eat, how they pray, what
> games they play, what they look like, what sort of houses they live in.
> (Remember, Prof. Tolkien started us out this way too: "In a hole in the
> ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the
> ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with
> nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that
> means comfort.") All of these things will not only inform your conlang, but
> considering these cultural things will lead you to the natural questions
> "what do they call these things?" and "How do they talk about these things?"
>
> Many folks recommend against beginning with poetry or other hard kinds of
> language. I recommend the contrary: start with poetry! Write a recipe or a
> prayer or a snatch of song or a chapter of your people's foundational myth.
>
> But this is only one way to conlang. Others may share it, but not
> everyone. If you stay here long enough, you will find other people have
> their own ways. And there are also many kinds of conlang one can make.
> You've recently seen references to auxlangs and engelangs and loglangs. I
> make artlangs, artistic, impressionistic conlangs. Some people prefer to
> make model conlangs (a conlang that closely mimics a natural language in
> its socio-historical context); others prefer entirely allohistorical
> settings. These are things you'll eventually want to try out, too. You may
> end up preferring one of these other forms of conlang over another. I
> mention that I liken my method to "discovery". Other folks prefer a method
> more akin to architecture -- they like to design and arrange blocks, devise
> detailed plans and put them all together according to the Plan.
>
> So long as the result is beautiful and so long as it reveals what was once
> hidden, it's all wonderful!
>
> So, I guess to answer your actual question: your next step is to figure
> out what your next step ought to be!
>
> <relurk>
>

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