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CONLANG  October 2015, Week 4

CONLANG October 2015, Week 4

Subject:

Re: How many parts of speech does a loglang need?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:58:22 +0100

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On 24/10/2015 13:46, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> 2015-10-24 15:26 GMT+03:00 Jim Henry:
[snip]

>> Why does that matter?  Plan B is well known, but it's
>> not such an unusually good conlang that we should judge
>> other conlangs by how well they reflect it.  Was Liva
>> supposed to be a redesign of Plan B, like Jörg's
>> Quetch?   I can't find anything to that effect in the
>> Liva grammar.

No - it most certainly is not!

> Of course, not. Liva was mentioned as a loglang so if it
>  is so then why such a strange split of words into PoS?
> If it's not supposed to be a loglang then np.

According to Liva's author:
{quote}
Liva is constructed mainly for fun: at first, it has not any
practical aim.

It can be seen as an experiment, trying to satisfy both the
requirements of logic and the aesthetic preferences of its
author -- two things not unrelated to each other. Just as
poets like to express their souls by writing poetry,
"glossopoets" like to express their way of seeing the world
by coining a language to describe it.
{unquote}

It is constructed for _fun_ and does not have any practical
aim.  It is an *experiment* basically to be both a loglang
and an artlang.  Claudio likens his creation of Liva to that
of a poet creating a work poetry.

Claudio proposed the "Gnoli triangle" because he observed
that many conlangs were of *mixed* type like his own Liva.
=================================================================

On 24/10/2015 14:13, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> 2015-10-24 15:58 GMT+03:00 R A Brown: [snip]
>> It may or may not be; that IMO is not relevant.  Liva
>> is a *conlang*, and there are conlangs that do not
>> have personal pronouns.
>
> This thread is "How many parts of speech does a loglang
> need?"
>

Yes, maybe we should get back to the subject line and not
spend any more time arguing whether Liva has pronouns or not
- tho a lot of the list have had enough emails about
loglangs already.

I _suggest_, for the sake of my sanity and that of many list
members, any further exchanges about the number of parts of
speech a loglang should have (or indeed whether 'parts of
speech'  are even appropriate for loglangs) is taken to the
ENGELANG list.

[snip]
>> Why so?  Liva is not meant to be a naturalistic
>> artlang.
>
>
> And my question is exactly why it looks so naturalistic
> :)

What!! Good grief - I give up.

-- 
Ray
==================================
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==================================
"Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigenen Kosten denkt,
wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
"A mind that thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language".

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