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CONLANG  November 2015, Week 3

CONLANG November 2015, Week 3

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U2D: a language of the UNLWS type

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Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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I just received the following from Isolde Helmut:

> Hi,
>
> A couple of months ago I stumbled upon UNLWS, and the concept really
> fascinated me. I'm a big fan, I think the idea is really great, and your
> execution of it is pretty good.
>
> So, I wanted to have my own go at it. I've uploaded some things about it at
> http://2d.rejo.in/index.html.
> The long and short of it is, I perverted the original thesis of
> "everything's a glyph" into a few different grammatical categories, and
> took a stab at a more structured method of glyph creation.

And I'm delighted.  It's great to see another entry in the category of
writing-native, two-dimensionality-exploiting languages.

As Isolde says, U2D embraces lexical categories from the get-go,
having nouns and verbs, which is a part of the design space I think
particularly worth exploring.  AIUI the _stems_ in U2D are however
still non-categorial, appearing zero-marked as nouns and with a circle
around them as verbs.
[As for UNLWS, its lack of lexical categories was done in the loglangy
mode -- we chose to allow any graph with any coreference pattern for
the arguments to cheaply maximise expressivity, or at least punt it to
lexicon.  But in the end we don't really lack them at all, as there
are all sorts of syntactic sugar like line decorations which can be
described as lexical categories.]

The more compositional formal approach to the lexicon is also
noteworthy.  U2D has about 70 atomic modular components right now, of
which its stems are sets (sensu mathematicorum).  Toki Pona's
oligolexic influence seems to be detectable here.  I'd also compare
something like the component level in the Chinese script, above
strokes but below whole characters, though it's not clear if there are
any combinations which are completely arbitrary as opposed to just
metaphorical like Chinese has.

And I like the aesthetics of the modular components, somewhere between
stripped-down Mayan and archaic cuneiform.


A couple narrower comments, mostly to Isolde (cc:ed -- and I encourage
you to join the list, Isolde!), but perhaps of interest to others:

It's interesting to see that the suggested reading order is the causal
order, which you also suggest is the one of the main mechanisms for
achieving an effect like tense.  Does it take especial contortions to
narrate events in reverse-chronological order, then?
Relatedly, it would also be interesting to see a language of this type
in which the intended reading order was very strongly defined, perhaps
using the orientation of the writing surface.  That's again something
not intrinsic to the mode.

In your example with the clock hands, it is not so clear to me that
you've broken the rule of "separate verbs for separate actions": the
two hands do move in concert, and it would be very natural to consider
that one action.  But for the general case, maybe you're in want of
something like a distributive derivation on the verb
[which is sorta what UNLWS might use a "stack" for.  And on that
topic: UNLWS referents are not unmarked for number, they are always
singular unless group morphology is present, though they can be
unmarked for the generic vs. specific contrast.  So, from its
perspective, by adding unmarkedness for number you've introduced the
means to obviate the more general problem... but then by limiting this
unmarkedness to nouns you've not taken it up.]

I see you've allowed reflection of nouns.  Given that pronouns "I" and
"you" differ only in orientation I see they're not subject to this;
but then the form of "I" is borrowed for a noun (basically for
reflexives?).  So that noun could be drawn to look like "you"...

A loglanger would point out that the "and" that makes a group of nouns
is not quite the boolean "and" -- is a group containing True and False
the same as just False by itself?  Of course this sort of
nondistinction is a total commonplace in natural languages.  As for
"or", one might ask what kind of a thing "you or I" is, if "you and I"
is a group: is it purely shorthand for a disjunction of two sentences?
or is it a single person whose identity is unknown to ___? or?

Alex

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