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CONLANG December 2015, Week 4

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Re: Kagamine Rin and Len sing in Tirëlat

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Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

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Shanoxilt Cizypij wrote:
> I have some questions.
> 
> How does Vocaloid work? More importantly, how much does it cost? How
> does it differ from UTAUloids? Is there a demand for glossopoetic
> virtual pop stars? Could this help preserve and/or propagate
> endangered languages (be they natural or invented)?

UTAU has two big advantages over Vocaloid: it's free, and you can record 
your own voice to sing in any language you want ... if you have the time 
and patience to record all of the sounds. Basically you need to record 
at least all the "diphones" in your language (the possible transitions 
between each pair of phones), and mark them up so that Utau can 
appropriately set up the timing and fade between the sounds. You'll 
probably also need triphones (like VCV or CCV) if your language has a 
more complex phonology.

Vocaloid also works using diphones and triphones behind the scenes, but 
instead of resampling like Utau, it uses a kind of frequency-domain 
synthesis. The Vocaloid editor is similar to a MIDI editor except that 
you can type in the "phonemes" that you want the program to sing. So 
bascially it automatically picks which sound sample to use based on 
which combination of phonemes you use (and it has a lookup dictionary so 
you can just type words in English if you're using an English voice 
bank). I've figured out some tricks for faking some of the Tirëlat and 
Jarda sounds that aren't in English, but basically you're limited to 
whatever sounds are included in the voice bank. Japanese Vocaloids are 
even more limited: they can't sing combinations of sounds that don't 
exist in Japanese. I suppose it could be used for endangered languages, 
if they have sounds similar to English (or Spanish, Japanese, Chinese, 
or Korean), but it's probably easier to get an actual singer to sing in 
the language.

Vocaloid has a number of advantages over Utau: you can adjust parameters 
for expression in a way similar to MIDI controllers in a MIDI editor, 
you can edit multiple tracks at once, and the Vocaloid editor works with 
VST plugins if you want to add things like equalization, distortion, 
reverb, etc.

Different Vocaloid products have different prices. You can get a 
download of MAIKA for 69 €, DEX and DAINA are regularly $70 each but 
they're currently on sale for $50 each, and the Kagamine Rin/Len English 
voice banks (which come as a pair) are ¥12,960 (¥21,600 for the bundle 
that includes both English and Japanese). For most of the newer 
Vocaloids you'll also need the Vocaloid editor for $108. (Vocaloid 2 
voice banks come with the Vocaloid 2 editor included, and the Crypton 
bundles come with Piapro Studio included, which you can use in place of 
the Vocaloid editor).

I think MAIKA is the best deal if you're just getting started, and she's 
got a free demo that you can try for 14 days. I still think MAIKA has 
the best pronunciation for Tirëlat.

http://www.voctro-vocaloid.com/en/maika

> Would this be of any use? --->
> https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=conlang;d4fb9729.1512C

I'm not familiar with espeak and I don't have a Linux system. Trying to 
get a text to speech program to sing might be possible if it has good 
control over pitch and timing, but I imagine it would be a lot of work. 
I did some experimentation with a Votrax Personal Speech System back in 
the 80's. The results were pretty primitive.

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