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CONLANG  January 2016, Week 4

CONLANG January 2016, Week 4

Subject:

Re: THEORY: Yes-no Or Questions

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:33:06 -0500

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> socolatam

OT, but I assume chocolate was unknown to the Romans. Does "socolata"  come from a time when Latin was still in active use in European writing, or is it a back-formation from the romlangs?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 08:27, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/01/2016 12:30, Leonardo Castro wrote:
>> 2016-01-23 17:29 GMT-02:00 Mark J. Reed
>> <[log in to unmask]>:
>> 
>>> In the example given, the first sentence is a "Do you
>>> want X?" question - the X happens to be a choice,
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, it's
>> 
>> Do you want *{chocolate or strawberry}*?
>> 
>> where X = "chocolate or strawberry"
> 
> ... and where we're asking if the guy still wants it if that
> is the choice.  Therefore, in Latin we _must_ have "vis"
> (you want) as first word, and add the enclitic -ne to make
> the thing a question.
> 
> Presumably we're not interested whether it's chocolate or
> strawberry; either will do if the guy answers "yes", so the
> word for 'or" will be _vel_ (or the enclitic -ve).
> 
> visne  vel fragariam?
> _or_
> visne socolatam fragariamve?
> 
> 
>> *VERSUS*
>> 
>> Do yo want *{chocolate}* or *{strawberry}*?
>> 
>> where X = "chocolate" and Y = "strawberry".
> 
> ... where we know the guy wants something - we just need to
> know the choice.  So the "choolate or strawberry" _must_
> come first (because that's what we're asking about) and the
> word for "or" *must* be "an" (because we're asking a
> disjunctive question).  We may still use -ne as the
> interrogative marker, but introducing the disjunction with
> "utrum" is perhaps more common, thus:
> 
> utrum socolatam an fragariam vis?
> _or_
> socolatamne an fragariam vis?
> 
> So, in short:
> In Latin the two different question will mean:
> (a) a difference in word order;
> (b) a different word for "or".
> 
> Many languages would, I'm sure, require a difference in word
> order for the two question (Welsh certainly does).  The
> requirement for different words for "or" may not be so
> common, but I cannot imagine Latin is unique in doing so.
> 
> -- 
> Ray
> ==================================
> http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> ==================================
> "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigenen Kosten denkt,
> wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
> [J.G. Hamann, 1760]
> "A mind that thinks at its own expense
> will always interfere with language".

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