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CONLANG  January 2016, Week 4

CONLANG January 2016, Week 4

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Re: Applicative Issues

From:

J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 26 Jan 2016 08:51:52 -0500

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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:59:06 +0100, taliesin the storyteller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 26. jan. 2016 12:56, J S Jones wrote:
>> Jan17 has a few applicatives, usually increasing the valence.
>
>Heh, I just finished the chapter on applicatives in Basic Linguistic
>Theory yesterday evening.
>
>> I label the arguments of the verb X, Y, and Z. When the verb is
>> intransitive, the applicative redefines the X argument to have the
>> semantic role specified by the applicative (such as instrument,
>> beneficiary, destination, etc.).
>
>According to RMWD@BLT, *canonical* applicatives redefine an existing
>peripheral argument (location, instrument, comitative, goal, recipient)
>as a patient/object, with language-dependent effects on the original
>patient/object if any. If the valency changes and that affects the
>subject, that is due to the valency change, not the applicative. A
>nominative stays a nominative and an absolutive changes to an ergative
>on going from intransitive to transitive for instance.

That contradicts DM (which puts applicatives under Valency Increasing), and some articles I've read.

>What he calls "quasi-applicatives" is when there is no possibility for
>an existing peripheral argument, and the applicative is the only way to
>connect the argument to a verb.
>
>> Here's the odd thing: when the instrumental applicative is used on a
>> transitive verb and the X argument is a person,
>
>Which type of instrumental applicative? (I'll summarize the types of
>applicatives in the book when I get home.)

I didn't know there were different types of instrumental. (TIA)

>According to BLT, applicatives don't mess with the agent/subject, so if
>your stuff does that, you don't have applicatives but something new,
>nice and shiny.
>
>
>t.

Well, they don't always affect the agent, just in one special case.

Jeff

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