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AUXLANG  January 2016, Week 5

AUXLANG January 2016, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Language Family Populations, Indo-Aryan largest language family

From:

Logan Streondj <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:08:06 -0500

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On 01/28/2016 06:23 PM, Paul Bartlett wrote:
> On 2016-01-28 8:14 AM, Logan Streondj wrote (excerpted for
> brevity):
> 
>> Though English seems only to have around 840 million, I'm
>> wondering if anyone has updated statistics for it, since everyone
>> loves to rave how international it is. Anyways wondering what you
>> think about this world-lang source distribution,  and if I've
>> missed anything available on both google translate and espeak
>> (for phonemic transcription) 
>> http://espeak.sourceforge.net/languages.html
> 
>> Interestingly I'm guessing this world-lang is mostly going to
>> sound like Hindi with a mix of Mandarin. Which is going to be
>> quite different to most of the "eurolangs" Auxlangs put out thus
>> far.
> 
> I do not have specific figures, I admit, but it seems to me, upon 
> serious consideration, that a so-called "worldlang" which tries to
> take some sort of vocabulary and grammar from here, there, and
> everywhere will literally have no more success than a more
> restricted conIAL. As I have pointed out in my "Thoughts" essay, it
> is not actually this or that particular linguistic characteristic
> which is the sole determinant of why a conIAL does or not succeed.
> 
> I myself estimate that some sort of a posteriori "worldlang" which
> tries to accommodate ever so many languages and language families
> will not in fact be any more successful than some of the a priori
> languages such as Suma and Sona. They have not succeeded. Why do we
> expect that some sort of vocabulary conglomeration will succeed
> when they have not, considering that a conglomeration will be
> little different from an a priori vocabulary?

I think that remains to be seen.  When I was doing the vocabulary
manually weighting probably unfairly towards English, there was a lot
of English like vocabulary. Considering the amount of Indo-European
language represented, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a bunch
of interlingua flavour words.
> 
> Esperanto is the most relatively (even if limitedly) successful
> conIAL to date in history. Its vocabulary and morphology are
> partially WENSA and partially a priori, but as the late Claude
> Piron pointed out, it is not exclusively structurally a western
> language. If E-o, with all its considerations, can achieve even a
> modicum of relative, even if limited, success, why do we think a
> conglomerated vocabulary of a so-called "worldlang" will have any
> more success? Mere "fairness" of vocabulary is a will-o-the-wisp.
> 

Well as you know, this is only for SPEL's IL or intermediary-language,
wheras others will use the same vocabulary as their native language
with a more formal grammar.

The point of having an easy to learn IL, is that there is a higher
likelyhood than otherwise of it being used directly.

- -- 
Logan Streondj,
A dream of Gaia's future.
http://joyfullifestyle.ca

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