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AUXLANG January 2016, Week 5

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Languages sources and Phonemic Algorithms Re: L2 Fluency (WAS: Language Family Populations, Indo-Aryan largest language family)

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Logan Streondj <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

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Thanks Jeffery,

Interesting indeed, due to the algorithmic nature of the language
generation, it will in fact be fairly easy to simply change the
weights and make them L1 only.

So here are the ideas for weightings we seem to have:

1. L1 + L2 + language family
2. L1 only
3. L1 + language family

Which of those do you think will be best?
 after I generate the languages,  hopefully sometime next week, we can
compare and contrast, and perhaps see which ones might be best.

Paul yes, it's hard to know at this point how it will look,  perhaps
it will seem completely a-priori as you say.  However I think we
should suspend judgment until we actually see the results.

Meanwhile,  lets entertain the notions that there will be something
recognizable.  I'm open to ideas for helping select the most
recognizable words, or phoneme patterns.

 I mentioned an algorithm earlier, using consonants from first third
of word for first letter, and from middle third of word for second
letter, and last third of word for last letter,  while using the most
common vowel.  I'm wondering if anyone has improvements on it, or
objections, or anything of the like.

On 01/29/2016 12:56 PM, Paul Bartlett wrote:
> On 2016-01-29, Jeffrey Brown wrote:
> 
>> [much interesting stuff elided for brevity]
> 
>> For auxlangers, this implies that if you want to do language
>> weighting for the purposes of creating a “universal” lexicon or
>> phonetic inventory, it would be wise to stick closer to the L1
>> figures than the listed L1+L2 figures. My personal opinion is
>> that the number of truly internationally understood words (such
>> as mama, coffee, chocolate, beer) is so small as to be useless.
>> You should either create a lexicon from scratch, or be content
>> with regional sources, like the 19th century auxlangs.
> 
> I entirely agree. :) I concur that there are not enough "truly 
> international" words to make up a useful auxlang. A point I have
> made previously: For adult learners of an IAL, somebody, somewhere,
> somehow, is simply going to have to make some kind of effort to
> learn something. Period. There is no panacea or magic wand. Either
> we create an entirely* a priori vocabulary of more or less equal
> difficulty to everybody, or we realize that some will be relatively
> advantaged and some relatively disadvantaged. This is one of the
> unfortunate realities of life. (As I mentioned in a recent
> response, I really don't think that a so-called worldlang that
> draws its vocabulary from here, there, and everywhere else is
> particularly advantageous or even realistic.)
> 
> *(Kenneth Searight claimed that a few of the radicals in his Sona
> were derived from existing materials in different languages, but in
> my opinion that claim is not really meaningful in any realistic
> sense and that the Sona vocabulary should be treated as effectively
> a priori.)
> 

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