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CONLANG  February 2016, Week 4

CONLANG February 2016, Week 4

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Re: The ultimate language construction challenge

From:

Gleki Arxokuna <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 23 Feb 2016 09:11:13 +0300

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2016-02-22 21:45 GMT+03:00 Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>:

> It doesn't seem so to me. How many people speak it?
>

I mean the sample text in it doesn't pose any problem to me. still lifo.


>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
> [log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
>
> > Nalnuantir seems to be quite speakable and human-like.
> >
> > Em segunda-feira, 22 de fevereiro de 2016, Jeffrey Brown <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > escreveu:
> >
> > > http://www.frathwiki.com/Fith
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Patrik Austin <
> [log in to unmask]
> > > <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm going to have my first seminar mid-March and I thought it would
> be
> > > > good to approach the conlanging community beforehand because I know
> all
> > > > people here have very special experience with languages ‒ it's
> > precisely
> > > > the conlangers if anyone who should be able to answer the age-old
> > > question
> > > > why all languages are so similar (i.e. syntactic structures; never
> mind
> > > > phonology and orthography).
> > > >
> > > > My second upload "The inevitable reason why all languages are
> similar"
> > > > http://lingbuzz.auf.net/lingbuzz/002821
> > > > is the first paper to give a formal proof that there simply isn't any
> > > > other logical possibility. It's largely based on discussions on this
> > list
> > > > (thx's will be added in due time). Or actually it only proves that
> all
> > > > possible grammars are axiomatic. It's written for an audience with a
> > > > natlang perspective, so I should mention here that, additionally,
> when
> > > you
> > > > define your conlang as one that is able to express "who did what to
> > whom
> > > > when where why how" etc. ‒ the usual stuff ‒ the semantics becomes
> > > likewise
> > > > axiomatic.
> > > >
> > > > In contrast to my hypothesis, Chomsky argues that these logical
> > > > possibilities are endless, even so overwhelmingly that it would be
> > > > impossible for a child to learn a language with the mere input and
> > > > reasoning. People must be born with Universal Grammar, an innate
> > > syntactic
> > > > awareness, and language learning is based on the gradual unfolding of
> > UG.
> > > > You can't directly prove Chomsky wrong because proving non-existence
> is
> > > > generally considered impossible. That's why Chomsky has the burden of
> > > proof.
> > > >
> > > > So the current situation is this: I've provided evidence that all
> > > possible
> > > > languages must be based on the same logical structure, and this is
> why
> > > they
> > > > are structurally similar. This means I won the argument.
> > > >
> > > > However, we should consider the possibility that I'm mistaken; and
> > > proving
> > > > so might actually provide the evidence that Chomsky needs.
> > > > What I'm asking everyone to do is to think of a language which is not
> > > > based on the same underlying structures as all other languages. I've
> > > heard
> > > > people say that (syntactic!) languages could be "completely
> different"
> > > from
> > > > natural languages, but I've never seen what it means. Can the
> > conlanging
> > > > community bring forward any actual example of this? Any single piece
> of
> > > > evidence could be enough to falsify my argument and fortify Chomsky's
> > > claim.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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