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CONLANG  February 2016, Week 4

CONLANG February 2016, Week 4

Subject:

Re: The ultimate language construction challenge

From:

Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 22 Feb 2016 09:55:09 -0800

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http://www.frathwiki.com/Fith


On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Patrik Austin <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> I'm going to have my first seminar mid-March and I thought it would be
> good to approach the conlanging community beforehand because I know all
> people here have very special experience with languages ‒ it's precisely
> the conlangers if anyone who should be able to answer the age-old question
> why all languages are so similar (i.e. syntactic structures; never mind
> phonology and orthography).
>
> My second upload "The inevitable reason why all languages are similar"
> http://lingbuzz.auf.net/lingbuzz/002821
> is the first paper to give a formal proof that there simply isn't any
> other logical possibility. It's largely based on discussions on this list
> (thx's will be added in due time). Or actually it only proves that all
> possible grammars are axiomatic. It's written for an audience with a
> natlang perspective, so I should mention here that, additionally, when you
> define your conlang as one that is able to express "who did what to whom
> when where why how" etc. ‒ the usual stuff ‒ the semantics becomes likewise
> axiomatic.
>
> In contrast to my hypothesis, Chomsky argues that these logical
> possibilities are endless, even so overwhelmingly that it would be
> impossible for a child to learn a language with the mere input and
> reasoning. People must be born with Universal Grammar, an innate syntactic
> awareness, and language learning is based on the gradual unfolding of UG.
> You can't directly prove Chomsky wrong because proving non-existence is
> generally considered impossible. That's why Chomsky has the burden of proof.
>
> So the current situation is this: I've provided evidence that all possible
> languages must be based on the same logical structure, and this is why they
> are structurally similar. This means I won the argument.
>
> However, we should consider the possibility that I'm mistaken; and proving
> so might actually provide the evidence that Chomsky needs.
> What I'm asking everyone to do is to think of a language which is not
> based on the same underlying structures as all other languages. I've heard
> people say that (syntactic!) languages could be "completely different" from
> natural languages, but I've never seen what it means. Can the conlanging
> community bring forward any actual example of this? Any single piece of
> evidence could be enough to falsify my argument and fortify Chomsky's claim.
>

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