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CONLANG  February 2016, Week 4

CONLANG February 2016, Week 4

Subject:

Re: The ultimate language construction challenge

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 22 Feb 2016 18:11:54 +0000

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On 22 February 2016 at 14:53, Patrik Austin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> In contrast to my hypothesis, Chomsky argues that these logical
> possibilities are endless, even so overwhelmingly that it would be
> impossible for a child to learn a language with the mere input and
> reasoning. People must be born with Universal Grammar, an innate syntactic
> awareness, and language learning is based on the gradual unfolding of UG.
> You can't directly prove Chomsky wrong because proving non-existence is
> generally considered impossible. That's why Chomsky has the burden of proof.
>

I looked in vain in the paper for discussion and references & see only a
reference to Hauser, Chomsky & Fitch. Why the fixation on Chomsky? There's
a burgeoning literature on biolinguistics within the Minimalist Program.
But whether any of it is genuinely relevant to your paper, I doubt.


>
> So the current situation is this: I've provided evidence that all possible
> languages must be based on the same logical structure, and this is why they
> are structurally similar. This means I won the argument.
>

You seem to me to not go beyond stating the bleedin obvious. We already
know languages are based on the same logical structure, because that's
built in to the tacit definition of language; a system that didn't encode
PAS wouldn't be considered a language in the first place. (I mean an actual
language, not 'language' in the vague metaphorical sense that gets applied
to programming languages and suchlike.) That may or may not account for the
extent of languages' similarities, but its not possible to show it without
delving into the nittygritty of scores or hundreds of languages. The MP
actually sets out to do that -- to define the specific content of UG such
that it actually accounts for the relevant specifics of actual individual
languages.

 However, we should consider the possibility that I'm mistaken; and proving
so might actually provide the evidence that Chomsky needs.

> What I'm asking everyone to do is to think of a language which is not
> based on the same underlying structures as all other languages. I've heard
> people say that (syntactic!) languages could be "completely different" from
> natural languages, but I've never seen what it means. Can the conlanging
> community bring forward any actual example of this? Any single piece of
> evidence could be enough to falsify my argument and fortify Chomsky's claim.
>

If you accept Gil's arguments (& I doubt Minimalists would) about Riau
Indonesian or Mithun's about Mohawk, a language can get by with about zero
syntax. And we don't know, in any empirical way, what the fundamental
syntactic structures of all languages are. What we do know is precisely
what job a language's syntax must do: it must encode PAS. So we can
usefully reframe your question: to ask whether there are conceivable
encodings of PAS that are unlike anything found in natlangs. The answer is
certainly Yes. Even if you confine yourself to encodings that are lossless
or unconstrained in content -- which natlangs don't -- the mathematical
space is vastly greater than the space natlangs occupy. Of conlangs, my
Xorvagian, a Xorban--Livagian hybrid that I had been working on six months
ago but had to put on hold because of the demands of things more central to
professional life, is an example of a human-usable lossless linear PAS
encoding that's completely unlike natlang syntax, since it has no phrases
and has completely free order of predicates: it's pretty much the grammar
we were calling paaS, except that there's no limit to the number of 'a's,
and the 'a's are named by arbitrary vowel clusters, a la Xorban.

If an engelang-minded person with an interest in this sort of stuff came to
me and said they were interested in doing a PhD in this area or at least
writing a paper in it, the questions I'd recommend they study are:
(a) To what extent is it functionally possible to encode PAS in bare phrase
structure with movement, bearing in mind that the encoding must meet the
exigencies of effectual communication?
(b) To what extent does the space of functionally possible encodings
correspond to the space occupied by the mechanisms of natlang syntax?
I suspect that the answer to (b) would turn out to be that the two spaces
are pretty much the same.
Further, or alternative, questions:
(c) What psycholinguistic resources would be required for a lossless PAS
encoding? What is the best encoding that can be achieved with human
psycholinguistic resources? Do natlangs approximate the best encodings
achievable with human psycholinguistic resources? [I suspect Yes.] Given
that human psycholinguistic resources are only up to doing the job in a
halfarsed way, what might their biological origins be?



--And.

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