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CONLANG  February 2016, Week 4

CONLANG February 2016, Week 4

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Re: The ultimate language construction challenge

From:

Gleki Arxokuna <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:26:12 +0300

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text/plain (64 lines)

Nalnuantir seems to be quite speakable and human-like.

Em segunda-feira, 22 de fevereiro de 2016, Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>
escreveu:

> http://www.frathwiki.com/Fith
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Patrik Austin <[log in to unmask]
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm going to have my first seminar mid-March and I thought it would be
> > good to approach the conlanging community beforehand because I know all
> > people here have very special experience with languages ‒ it's precisely
> > the conlangers if anyone who should be able to answer the age-old
> question
> > why all languages are so similar (i.e. syntactic structures; never mind
> > phonology and orthography).
> >
> > My second upload "The inevitable reason why all languages are similar"
> > http://lingbuzz.auf.net/lingbuzz/002821
> > is the first paper to give a formal proof that there simply isn't any
> > other logical possibility. It's largely based on discussions on this list
> > (thx's will be added in due time). Or actually it only proves that all
> > possible grammars are axiomatic. It's written for an audience with a
> > natlang perspective, so I should mention here that, additionally, when
> you
> > define your conlang as one that is able to express "who did what to whom
> > when where why how" etc. ‒ the usual stuff ‒ the semantics becomes
> likewise
> > axiomatic.
> >
> > In contrast to my hypothesis, Chomsky argues that these logical
> > possibilities are endless, even so overwhelmingly that it would be
> > impossible for a child to learn a language with the mere input and
> > reasoning. People must be born with Universal Grammar, an innate
> syntactic
> > awareness, and language learning is based on the gradual unfolding of UG.
> > You can't directly prove Chomsky wrong because proving non-existence is
> > generally considered impossible. That's why Chomsky has the burden of
> proof.
> >
> > So the current situation is this: I've provided evidence that all
> possible
> > languages must be based on the same logical structure, and this is why
> they
> > are structurally similar. This means I won the argument.
> >
> > However, we should consider the possibility that I'm mistaken; and
> proving
> > so might actually provide the evidence that Chomsky needs.
> > What I'm asking everyone to do is to think of a language which is not
> > based on the same underlying structures as all other languages. I've
> heard
> > people say that (syntactic!) languages could be "completely different"
> from
> > natural languages, but I've never seen what it means. Can the conlanging
> > community bring forward any actual example of this? Any single piece of
> > evidence could be enough to falsify my argument and fortify Chomsky's
> claim.
> >
>

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