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CONLANG March 2016, Week 2

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Re: Engelang animation video

From:

"A. da Mek" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 11 Mar 2016 14:48:07 +0000

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11.3.2016 v 8:46 Patrik Austin wrote:
>>> Chapter 3 in http://lingbuzz.auf.net/lingbuzz/002821 compares different parse methods.
>>> Figure 14 is a CKY parse for the structure that is nonlinear in other examples.
>>
>> Figure 14 shows abaS, not aS.
>
> It's a linear structure, that's the point.

There is an essential difference between a list of single elements and a 
list of triads.

> I can do aS, aaS, aaaS, abaS etc., if you want any particular one.
> With a CKY parse they all give you a linear structure such as the one in figure 14.

It is easy to get a linear structure from a more complex one, but what 
we need is to reconstruct the tree from a serialized notation.

> You said:
>
>> The aS grammar can generate only lists, not more
>> complex trees.
>
> but chapter 3 explains how this only depends on the chosen parse method.

If you generate a tree from a list of scalar values, then you are using 
not only the information, which is expressed by the structure of the 
list, but also an extra information contained in the items.
The xml notation of the structure described by aS grammar may look like 
this:

<sentence>
   <word>kåhinu</word>
   <word>Båģhlim</word>
   <word>jàqtil</word>
   <word>kalbam</word>
   <word>qatnam</word>
</sentence>

(Word by word "Priest Lord's killed dog small.")
As was already mentioned, that markup means only "The sentence consists 
of words."
Now try to write a parser converting it to a structure describing the 
language more thoroughly:

<clause>
   <nominative>
     kåhinu
     <genitive>Båģhlim</genitive>
   </nominative>
   jàqtil
   <accusative>
     kalbam
     <adjective>qatnam</adjective>
   </accusative>
</clause>

or

<clause>
   <phrase case="nominative">
     kåhinu
     <phrase case="genitive">Båģhlim</phrase>
   </phrase>
   jàqtil
   <phrase case="accusative">
     kalbam
     <phrase case="inherited">qatnam</phrase>
   </phrase>
</clause>

You will see that you need more than only the information expressed by 
the tags (that is in element names and possibly also attributes) of the 
source structure (that is only "sentence" and "word"), but you need also 
to analyze the plain text contained inside the elements; that is to use 
the knowledge that -um, -im and -am are case endings of nominative, 
genitive and accusative. (Analytic language (like English) would use 
word order instead of explicit grammatical morphemes, but the basic 
principle is similar.)

Your abaS grammar is better than aS, because it can describe a structure 
(list of triads: node, parent node and the type of their relation) which 
(although does not describe a naturalistic language) can be converted to 
a tree.
It says: "Every word (except of the root (head) of the sentence) is 
dependent on another word, and there are several types of relations to 
the parent word (marked by grammatical morphemes)."

<list>
   <word>
     <stem>kåhin-</stem>
     <form>-u (nominative)</form>
     <parent>-qtil</parent>
   </word>
   <word>
     <stem>Båģhl-</stem>
     <form>-im (genitive)</form>
     <parent>kåhinu</parent>
   </word>
   <word>
     <stem>-qtil</stem>
     <form>jà- (1p.sg.)</form>
     <parent></parent>
   </word>
   <word>
     <stem>kalb-</stem>
     <form>-am (accusative)</form>
     <parent>-qtil</parent>
   </word>
   <word>
     <stem>qatn-</stem>
     <form>-am (in agreement with parent)</form>
     <parent>kalb-</parent>
   </word>
</list>

But even this grammar still is not entirely equivalent to a naturalistic 
grammar, because it does not say that there are two levels:
1) the level of clauses, whose heads are verbs, on which depend several 
phrases in different cases (except of genitive (and of vocative, which 
stays outside of a sentence));
2) the level of phrases, whose heads are substantives, on which depend 
several adjectives or genitives.

Although such list of triads can contain enough information to be 
converted into a naturalistic language, it itself is not a 
human-friendly language. A system based of pairs would be even more 
human-unfriendly.

(BTW, there is another layer of a human language: extra edges expressed 
by endophoric and relative pronouns.)

> I'm posting you here two different aS parses.
> I'm also changing the word-order to top-down/verb-first (to match the DOT format).
> First let's take a CKY parse for the sentence.
> Please go to http://ironcreek.net/phpsyntaxtree/ and insert this (it's best to uncheck auto subscript):
>
> [S[A want-event] [A agent1] [A i-person] [A want-event]
>[A patient1] [A read-event] [A agent2] [A anyone-person]
>   [A read-event][A patient2] [A book] [A possessor]
>   [A i-person][A want-event] [A polarity] [A negation]
>   [A read-event][A manner] [A carelessness] ]
>
> and press draw.

For that input, it draws the same thing which is entered, only places 
the pairs vertically instead of horizontally, and colors them.

> For the graph parse it has been customary (i.e. done for paaS) to compose a graph from several subphrases.
> This is not logically required for aS, but it keeps the graph a lot cleaner.
> So here's the corresponding expression for DOT - please insert it to
> http://graphs.grevian.org/graph and press generate:
>
> graph{
> want_event--agent1--i_person;
> want_event--patient1--read_event--patient2--book--i_person;
> read_event--agent2--anyone_person;
> want_event--polarity--negation;
> read_event--manner--carelessness;
> }

Again, this is a list of elements with an internal structure, as was 
mentioned above, discussing the abaS grammar.

> So you see what we have here in this message are just word lists of different length.
> But it's just as difficult to see how come the graph is actually just a list,

A list of triads (or rather quads, because there is also that number (or 
other ID) which identifies nodes with the same name), not a list of 
elements without an internal structure.

> Thank goodness for computers!

Computers can be useful if you know what to enter into them and how to 
interpret outputs.

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