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CONLANG  April 2016, Week 5

CONLANG April 2016, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Krispúket

From:

Daniel Swanson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 30 Apr 2016 06:53:55 -0500

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> Parentheses are another weakness of mine, but not as much as ellipses
> (kinda annoying that that's the plural of both "ellipsis" and "ellipse",
> but that's not particularly relevant). But emoticons are even more so :-Ъ.
> But they're not as troublesome as my habit of going off on a rabbit trail
> and rambling on and on (which generally necessitates a lot of editing
> before I hit "send")!

I would guess I'm worst with parentheses because they're the one that
you're not taught to completely avoid in formal writing. :)

Based on the alphabet post you linked to and this:
http://web.uvic.ca/ling/resources/ipa/charts/IPAlab/IPAlab.htm I tried to
work out a pattern in the vowels and if you switch a and a' you could maybe
say that the ones with apostrophes are moving towards the center.

a: ɐ => a': æ (forward)
e: ɛ => e': ə (back & up)
i: i => i': ɪ (back & down)
o: o => o': ɔ (down)
u: u => u': ɵ (forward & down)

Don't know if that's at all helpful, but there it is.

> Off topic: your name is a little trippy to me, because I know someone
named
> Daniel Swanson irl. But I don't think he's into conlangs.

My legal name is not an uncommon one. :)

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Christa Hansberry <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> On Apr 29, 2016 3:54 PM, "Daniel Swanson" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyway, besides that, I'm trying to figure out: if I say the vowel
> sound
> > in "food" and then say the vowel sound in "good", what has changed? I
> keep
> > trying, but somehow I can't feel what the difference is. I ask because
> the
> > "ú" in Krispúket is pronounced like the "u" in push, and I thought maybe
> > knowing the nature of the change would help me make the other vowels less
> > arbitrary... I suppose I could change the "ú" sound too if I needed...
> >
> > I pronounce "food" as /fud/ and "good" as /gɵd/ which is (according to
> the
> > interactive IPA chart I used to determine this) moving it forward and
> down
> > (from close back to close-mid central).
> >
> Thanks! I'll see if that helps.
>
> > > Pardon my rambling... I just need to a workable alphabet, so I can make
> > words, so I can make use of my vague ideas... (What do you mean, I should
> > make less use of "..."??)
> >
> > Your overuse of elipses (if it is an overuse) is nothing to my overuse of
> > parentheses (up to 5 nested layers!). :)
> >
> Parentheses are another weakness of mine, but not as much as ellipses
> (kinda annoying that that's the plural of both "ellipsis" and "ellipse",
> but that's not particularly relevant). But emoticons are even more so :-Ъ.
> But they're not as troublesome as my habit of going off on a rabbit trail
> and rambling on and on (which generally necessitates a lot of editing
> before I hit "send")!
>
> > > My biggest conundrum is still the fact that m and n don't fit into my
> > tidy paradigm, since if I try to say them without voicing, they sound
> > like... me breathing through my nose.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_bilabial_nasal
> > According to Wikipedia, voiceless m is found in about a dozen languages.
> >
> Hmm... I'll have to ponder that one... of course if I whisper, say, "baba"
> and "mama", they sound different, but if I whisper "mbale", it sounds
> basically like a pause and then "pale" (not the English pronunciation of
> "pale", of course). Maybe it mostly affects the adjacent vowels? I dunno...
> I'm not like a professional phonetician or anything, I just make noises and
> see (er, hear) how they sound! :-Ъ
>
> Off topic: your name is a little trippy to me, because I know someone named
> Daniel Swanson irl. But I don't think he's into conlangs.
>
> -Christa
>
> > On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:49 PM, [log in to unmask] <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I think I'm making a little progress...
> > >
> > > Still working on alphabet reform. The original is here:
> > > http://krispuket.blogspot.com/2015/11/provisional-phonetics.html
> > > , but I don't like it. I don't like how it looks, and I don't like the
> > > selection of vowels; they're so arbitrary and English.
> > >
> > > My biggest conundrum is still the fact that m and n don't fit into my
> tidy
> > > paradigm, since if I try to say them without voicing, they sound
> like... me
> > > breathing through my nose. Amazing. But they're such handy letters to
> > > have... the Srilermorna alphabet for Lojban is similar to my idea of
> > > pairing voiced and unvoiced sounds, but matches up M with N and L with
> R
> > > (and nothing matches X). But... I dunno. I like consistency and tidy
> > > dichotomies and all the ducks being in a row... but maybe I like the
> letter
> > > M even more...
> > >
> > > Anyway, besides that, I'm trying to figure out: if I say the vowel
> sound
> > > in "food" and then say the vowel sound in "good", what has changed? I
> keep
> > > trying, but somehow I can't feel what the difference is. I ask because
> the
> > > "ú" in Krispúket is pronounced like the "u" in push, and I thought
> maybe
> > > knowing the nature of the change would help me make the other vowels
> less
> > > arbitrary... I suppose I could change the "ú" sound too if I needed...
> > >
> > > Pardon my rambling... I just need to a workable alphabet, so I can make
> > > words, so I can make use of my vague ideas... (What do you mean, I
> should
> > > make less use of "..."??)
> > >
> > > -ҭԑҕ ҫфи1ӑӥб!ҋӓтøя!!! :-Ъ
> > >
> > > P.S. Sincere apologies to those whose encoding garbles the above line;
> it
> > > wasn't important anyway!
> > >
> > > Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Swanson, Certified Geek
>



-- 
Daniel Swanson, Certified Geek

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