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CONLANG  May 2016, Week 3

CONLANG May 2016, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Interjection categorization

From:

Sylvia Sotomayor <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 15 May 2016 14:41:04 -0700

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You know, in my books (for laypeople) on Australian Aboriginal
languages, in the sections on interjections are things translated as
"Hey, you", "Goodbye", "Whoops I made a mistake", "Curse you",
"Scram", "Yes", "No", Don't", "Help/Ouch", "You are a good hunter",
"True?", "ya know", "okay", "probably, a little, maybe, seems like".
"alas, poor you", "Welcome!".
So, expressions that can stand in for a clause, express emotions,
express social niceties, express certainty/doubt (I always forget the
name of this), express agreement and disagreement, etc. I think the
ones that we would translate as commands or adverbs don't count as
such here as they do not follow the general rules for such.
-S


On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mechthild Czapp <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hejida,
>
> Just some more interjections which I translated into rejistanian:
> * Pain (Ao, stupid table leg!)
> * Disgust (Riiih, you eat this raw‽)
> * Surprise
>    - about something good (Tahy, what a goal!)
>    - about something bad (Yu, that exam was today?)
> * Confusion (Malee, which of these students is not from KaMaRi?)
> * Joy (Tahai, we won!)
> * Embarrassment (Elre, I didn't expect you to speak Rejistanian)
> * Understanding/comprehension (ha, this is why Syku was in such a mood this morning!)
> * Thought (Jie, if Sikane gets 3 points in the next game... and Matix loses... jie, or draws against Ltianhama, they will escape relegation!)
> * Anger (Slani! someone stole my bike!)
>
> Hope this helps. If I misunderstood your posting, please tell.
>
> Va'il veka ji kelda'il tera,
> Mechthild
>
>> Am 15.05.2016 um 19:41 schrieb Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>:
>>
>> Scott Villanueva-Hlad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I have often thought about the interjections we use in a day. Some are vulgar and some are not. You cannot make a literal translation of such
>>> things as “dang it”.
>>
>> Well, you can, if you go back through the word's history, then slip over the L2 and translate. In this case, dang is a euphemism for damn, so it would be a matter of translating from there. Now, whether the L2's word for "damn" can be used as an interjection or not is a different matter! You'd then have to find an equivalent term for the translation.
>>
>>> Thinking about how to do that in a conlang requires one to step back and study this a bit to give a good rendering.
>>
>> Yep! But it's a fascinating journey through the conlang's speakers' lives and culture and history!
>>
>>> I’ve been thinking about different categories that such interjections may fit into. We have those that express dismay, regret etc. I’d like to develop
>>> a bit of a list of those categories before I venture into the area.
>>
>>> I have thought of a few
>>
>>> Dismay
>>>      Drat
>>>      Darn it
>>> Displeasure
>>> Regret
>>> Contempt
>>
>>> What others can go into this list?
>>
>> Thus far you've listed four basic emotions -- I would argue that you could add any number of other emotions to this list and find one or more interjections for each. Surprise has been mentioned (oo, wow); you could go on with pleasure, pain, fear, joy, etc.
>>
>>> Can broad categories be further defined?
>>
>> WP mentions two broad categories, but I don't think they'll help you much. They list "primary" and "secondary" types. The former are underived from any other word, while the latter are derived from a noun or verb or what have you.
>>
>> Since interjections seem to be fundamentally emotive words and phrases, you might consider a scheme of strong v. weak and positive v. negative to categorise these words. For example, "oh!" would be positive & weak, it being a marker of mild surprise; while "wow!" would be positive & strong, it being a marker of greater surprise.
>>
>>> I’d like your help to create as detailed a list as possible.
>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>
>> Not sure how useful it would be, but an alternative is simply a long list of emotions and associated interjections. It might be interesting to note how much overlap there is: after all, "oh!" can be surprise or disgust for example.



-- 
Sylvia Sotomayor

The sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up.

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