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CONLANG  June 2016, Week 2

CONLANG June 2016, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Common Honey: A collaborative language

From:

Daniel Swanson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 8 Jun 2016 22:05:42 -0500

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JS lexicon updated!

> Bee is not entirely sure what Wind's job is, given that Sajem Tan is a
> non-naturalistic conlang without a fictitious history (at least so
> far).  Is he to make up fictitious backstories for various words, as
> the swift feathered one suggests?  This will be an uphill battle,
> given the way the words were really coined.

Perhaps he is in charge of deriving words and the semantics of compounds?

>> dafmuhm - arrow
>
> Let us replace this with "vmanduhk", bow-spear.

How about dafmuhm is the kind of arrow that points at something?

>> kixikolm - helicopter
>
> + hovercraft

That may leave us only 1 word away from being able to say "My hovercraft is
full of eels."

>> cimuht - equal
>
> Does this refer only to the sort of equality humans have, or also to
> mathematical equalities, or to the approximate equalities of
> quantities in the physical world?

How about this is equivalence of character (or however you'd rather say it)
and something else is mathematically equality?

> This needs a LOT of work, as Alex suggested.  Bee tentatively proposes
> that we express rights in terms of their inverse duties.  E.g., where
> English would describe a right to life, Sajem Tan would describe a
> duty not to kill people.  If the rest of the tribe doesn't like that
> idea, and really wants a single word for "right", Bee suggests that we
> start thinking about other concepts to overload the word for "right"
> with.

I support the inverse duties proposal.

> Spider is not sure that the comitative is the right case for linking
> freedom and  equality to zluhznyk ke fmolthyt.  He also thinks that
> "kafmym" is an overly literal translation for the preposition "in in
> dignity and rights".

So you're saying that the "with" in English would have to be rendered as
possession (possibly a postposition given the original comments about their
weirdness) and "in" as something denoting "with regards to" distinct from
the spatial "inside"?

> That's one or two examples each for all the case endings except for
> "-vah", Instrumental II.  I'm not sure yet what words we have for
> large or intangible tools.

What about "tanum dehah jikinvah."? (we speak with a wiki)

> On further thought, "Thefnolm" should come before the verb, since it's
> kind of an experiencer subject here.

Are there restrictions on where case-marked nouns go relative to the verb?

> Without -kahm, "Thefnolm" would be a direct object of "speak/say".
> Spider is not sure what it would mean.  Maybe "Bee said 'bear'."?

Perhaps Bee emptied his stomach, which for some reason contained Bear.

> Bird just found the most interesting video!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVSZpoUdSU
>
> How could we apply this to our language?

That depends on what you mean be "apply". Feed audio data of ST into such a
network and watch? Feed the corpus into a network and see if we can get it
to produce text? (basically a more complicated Wisdomful Beehive, IMO)

kygykumsun golm kixikolmah.

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