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Re: a nouns=verbs attempt

From:

Jim Thain <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 5 Jul 2016 05:32:37 -0700

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Well you don't have to extend it to the whole conlang. Maybe the pronouns
are the only place there is gender/classes. English actually does that as
we don't have gender for most (all?) nouns but the third person pronouns
still do. Sometime irregularity is awesome.

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:07 PM, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 12:41:06 -0600, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >On 4 July 2016 at 02:49, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:16:29 +0530, Decremental Bug <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Pronouns
> >>>> Pronouns most often appear as complete phrases, in which case they're
> >>>> proclitic; the form is C or Ce. A pronoun can also appear as a phrase
> >>>> modifier in the Ci form (other forms are possible). The pronouns are:
> >>>>  1. k   j       K-person
> >>>>  2. l   l       L-person
> >>>>  3. m   m       M-person (= inclusive person)
> >>>>  4. p   p       3rd person, most recent "possessor"
> >>>>  5. s   x       3rd person, most recent "subject"
> >>>>  6. c   g       3rd person, cataphoric
> >>>>  7. q   z       content question
> >>>>  8. o   q       unspecified
> >>>
> >>>I didn't know there were alternative systems of pronouns ! But I don't
> >>>understand how this works. Any link to a detailed explanation or usage
> in
> >>>other languages ?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Davneet.
> >>>
> >>
> >> K/L pronouns are something I invented, or at least the terminology, for
> a non-naturalistic project. Tibetan is supposed to do something similar but
> I've never pinned that down. Inclusive person (M or N) is used in a whole
> bunch of languages, although it's usually classified as 1st person
> inclusive dual/plural. Here's what I wrote for another sketch called K4:
> >>
> >> "K4 doesn't make the conventional 1st and 2nd person distinction;
> instead it makes a distinction between knower and learner. The knower, or K
> person, refers to the speaker(s) in statements but to the addressee(s) in
> questions and commands, while the learner, or L person, refers to the
> addressee(s) in statements but to the speaker(s) in questions and commands.
> Both K and L persons distinguish singular and plural. Note that "speakers"
> and "addressees", when plural, may include associated persons, but are
> mutually exclusive. There's also an inclusive, or N person, that refers to
> the speakers and addressees together and is only plural."
> >
> >I came up with a similar system once where the words for first/second
> >person references derive from "speaker"/"writer" and
> >"hearer"/"reader", potentially with further distinctions between
> >"hearer" and "listener", implying whether you believe your addressee
> >to actually be paying attention.
> >
> >Never made any use of it, though, so it's cool to see someone else
> >doing something similar.
> >
> >> For the 3rd person plurals, I'm trying to avoid a gender or class
> system, which I think doesn't apply well to processes.
> >
> >Why not? Quite a lot of gender/class systems have nothing at all to do
> >with semantics, so the fact that everything is conceptualized in terms
> >of processes shouldn't really matter.
> >(Of course, if you just don't want to have grammatical genders anyway,
> >there's nothing wrong with that.)
> >
> >-l.
>
> A gender/class system, especially a naturalistic one, is a big can of
> worms I'd rather not open for this kind of project.
>

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