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CONLANG July 2016, Week 1

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Re: Nootka Is Weird: The Ultimate in V2 Syntax

From:

Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:21:04 -0600

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On 7 July 2016 at 02:17, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> If I understand this right (which I’m sure I don’t, because Logan didn’t include any actual examples [hint, hint]), this isn’t so strange.

Hint and ye shall receive! [1]
The most straightforward (i.e., actually on this precise topic, as
opposed to about something else but demonstrating the phenomenon
anyway) paper I read was
http://lingserver.arts.ubc.ca/linguistics/sites/default/files/Wojdak_2003.pdf,
"Predicative lexical suffixes in Nuu-chah-nulth"

> Take something like “-sounding”. This does’t mean anything in English, but it does if you add a qualifier, e.g. “strange-sounding”, “weird-sounding”, “funny-sounding”, etc. The whole thing, then, becomes a modifier (e.g. “an odd-sounding story”).
>
> Now let’s move to a participle from a transitive verb, like “-kicking”. You can have “a ball-kicking soccer player”. That’s easy enough. Now imagine you *backform* a verb out of that. This is like taking “truckdriver” and getting the word “truckdrive” (great example on The Simpsons where Homer says, “He card-reads good!”). So now you have a verb “to ball-kick”, which means “to kick a ball”.

The article does in fact analyze this as a form of object
incorporation. And that does indeed seem to be the obvious route by
which it would have evolved.

With simple examples, it looks indistinguishable from obligatory
object incorporation. Thus there is the sentence

maht'ii-?aap-mit-?is cakup
house-buy-PST-3.IND man
"A man bought a house"

using the suffixal predicate <-?aap>, which contrasts with

makuk-mit-?is cakup maht'ii
buy-PST-3.IND man house
"A man bought a house"

using the equivalent free verb.

But In My Humble Opinion, continuing to call it "object incorporation"
does not do justice to the full complexity of the synchronic
phenomenon.

> Now let’s say we lose the regular verb “kick”. It’s gone. You can no longer say “I kicked the ball”. Instead, we only have “-kick”. You can’t use it unless there’s an object it attaches to. This is pretty limiting, because sometimes you’ll have to kick something that has greater phonological weight than monosyllabic “ball”. Like what if you wanted to say that a friend of yours kicked “that chain-linked fence next to the supermarket”? You certainly can’t say “My friend that-chain-linked-fence-next-to-the-supermarket-kicked”. That’s abominable. You have to attach “-kick” to SOMETHING, though, so why not the very first part of the object?
>
> My friend that-kicked chain-linked fence next to the supermarket.
>
> (Honestly, if this were really English, I think a “the” would need to be reintroduced. Feels odd without it.)
>
> You could also do it with adjectives:
>
> My friend blue-kicked the wall.

Or "My friend the-kicked blue wall."

Unfortunately, Wojdak neglected to show determiner cliticization, but
there is an adjective cliticization example:

ha?um-'iic-?is-?al ?aapinis
tasty-eat-3.IND-PL apples
They are eating delicious apples.

Here's one with a relative pronoun:

"I who-know killed Colonel Mustard!"

Or, the slightly more complicated example from Nootka:

hacumsiqs-ak-sis haa cakup-?i yaq-?inhi-?itq Mary.
brother-POSS-1sg.IND DEIC man-DET REL-wait.for-3.REL Mary
"The man whom Mary is waiting for is my brother"
or "The man whom=wait-for Mary is my brother"

Although admittedly that one doesn't end up looking quite as weird,
'cause it might as well just be a relativized verb form.

Then there are examples of cliticizing to a quantifier:

?aya-is-?is muks?i
man-on.beach-3.IND rocks
"There are many rocks on the beach."[2]

> Here things break down a little, because it would make much more sense for this to happen to a language where adjectives can stand on their own as nouns (e.g. “blue” would mean “the blue one”), but if that’s what’s going on, it makes sense to me.

That does appear to be the case. At least, in the examples I've read,
the words for "delicious" and "food" are homonymous.

> The verb-like element cliticizes when its object is too big. Once that’s been established, you can get creative with it. Reminds me of similar phenomena I’ve seen in ASL and Moro.

I contend that the existence of a reasonable evolutionary pathway for
a phenomenon does not mean that that phenomenon is not nevertheless
really weird. But now I want to know more about ASL and Moro!

-l.

[1] Examples are always difficult to write. They take so long, and
half way through I've already thought of the whole thing and then lose
the motivation to actually finish writing it. Fortunately, in this
case I just had to re-locate a paper someone else wrote and copy stuff
down.

[2] Why yes, Nootka does appear to have a monosyllabic root for "to be
on the beach". But that's just lexical weirdness, and kinda makes
sense given where the language is spoken.

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