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AUXLANG October 2016, Week 3

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Re: minimal base vocabulary for sino-auxlang Re: A Phonological System for Chinese Auxlang & eastern asian universal language

From:

Leo Moser <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 20 Oct 2016 15:21:45 -0700

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Leo adds:
For any of you here who feel you would enjoy an introduction to Classical Chinese, I can strongly recommend:
http://faculty.vassar.edu/brvannor/ClassicalChineseEveryone.pdf

 A few of Logan's interests may be touched upon there. 

Best regards,          LEO


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From: International Auxiliary Languages [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Logan Streondj
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 7:42 PM
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Subject: minimal base vocabulary for sino-auxlang Re: A Phonological System for Chinese Auxlang & eastern asian universal language

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Hi Victor and Leo,

Phonology may be interesting and all,
however for over a thousand years it was all but meaningless in China.
There are many not mutually intelligible dialects, and for a very long time, everything was written in Classical Chinese, yet people in China, Japan, Korea and the whole sino-sphere understood i t, even though for instance Japanese and Korean are not sinitic languages, they are tungusic/altaic.

So I think for the sinosphere, the phonology is irrelevant, what is important is a grammar using Chinese characters, which is fairly similar to Classical Chinese and-or Standard Mandarin, to increase the depth of understanding of history and present.

The phonology and word sounds can be made up later, For instance could use the SPEL/Pyash sounds.

I as someone with almost no Chinese language knowledge, would like help with the previously requested words.

I need grammar words (either prepositions or postpositions) for the following (as the chinese letters, not phonemics):

nominative-case
accusative-case
instrumental-case
dative-case
genitive-case

verbal-case
dependant-clause

realis-mood
deontic-mood
epistemic-mood
interrogative-mood
conditional-mood

I have made some guesstimates in my limited knowledge, since these are super-common grammar particles, I've limited it to 1 letter, however rare it may be:

者 nominative-case
顆 accusative-case
由 instrumental-case
到 dative-case
的 genitive-case

是 verbal-case
那 dependant-clause

啊 realis-mood
嗎 deontic-mood
啊 imperative-mood
就 conditional-mood
呕 epistemic-mood


Wondering what your thoughts may be.

Thanks,

On 2016-10-11 09:39 PM, Victor Chan wrote:
> I will present my constructed phonology for Chinese Auxlang. The 
> emphasis of the phonology is in the following decreasing order: 1) 
> common topological traits of local languages, 2) practicality for 
> formal lingua franca, 3) learn-ability for native speakers of a 
> Chinese dialect, and 4) learn-ability for people who do not speak any 
> Chinese language.
> 
> Analysis: -For frequency on dialects, common three way place of 
> articulation on stop, nasal, and fricative will be used while 
> affricate will be limited to one place of articulation. Five vowel 
> system will be used with four additional diphthongs on open syllables. 
> -For foreign learn-ability, Classical Chinese voice contrast is used 
> over tone contrast of the yin-yang tone pairs. For the same reason, 
> checked tones will not be phonemic and co-occur with final stops. 
> Common four tones of Mandarin dialects will be used as basis which 
> will be reduced to two phonemic tones by Middle Chinese voicing 
> contrast. This will result in two phonemic tones which will become 
> neutralized in syllables with final stops. -To reduce homophones and 
> account for possible systematic gap, syllable structure will be C (w, 
> i) V (C) where final consonant is restricted to nasal and oral stops.
> 
> Consonants: -ph, th, kh, p, t, k, b, d, g, ’ ~ (null onset before <w, 
> y>) -<ch, c, j> as aspirated, voiceless, and voiced affricate 
> respectively -f, v, s, z, x, <h> as voiced velar fricative -m, n, <ng> 
> as velar nasal Approximants: l, w, j <y> Vowels: a, e, i, o, u 
> Diphthongs: <ay, ao, oy, eo> as [aj, aw, oj, ew] Phonotactics: C (y, 
> w) V (m, n, ng, p, t, k) or C [ay, ao, oy, eo] where [] mark 
> obligatory segments -onset /ng/ have similar allophone as its 
> counterpart in Standard Mandarin
> 
> Some grapheme ideas: -place /q/ at the end of syllable to mark high 
> tone and set low tone as default -prevent capitalization so capital 
> letters can be used as silent letters to distinguish homophone
> 

- --
Logan Streondj,
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