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CONLANG  October 2016, Week 3

CONLANG October 2016, Week 3

Subject:

Re: An eastern Asian universal language?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:02:50 +0100

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On 18/10/2016 05:13, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:
> Hello subscribers. I wrote this topic because me and a
> Japanese friend considered that there could be a language
> be created for that specific purpose.

There could be in the same sort of way that e.g. _Afrihili_
was designed as a pan-African auxlang.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrihili

On 18/10/2016 06:03, Sabrina wrote:
> Personally, I’m not sure I believe in any universal
> languages.

I am sure I don't - at least not in artificial auxlangs.
http://www.carolandray.plus.com/Glosso/Glossopoeia.html#my_own_experience

But if the idea is to create a "Far Eastern Esperanto" for
fun, or as a private experiment between individuals, then
fair enough.  It could be interesting.

[snip]
> Because in that case, you’d need to define ‘east
> asia’—typically (in my experience), it refers to China,
> Japan, Taiwan, the Koreas, and maybe Mongolia.

Yes, it would need to be defined.  Personally I would
include South East Asia as well; but that's a decision for
Vassilis and his friend.

[snip]
> Then there’s the meaning of east asia that encompasses
> everything eastward of India/Nepal/Bangladesh, and
> doesn’t include the steppes.

This was the _Middle East_ when I was a youngster in the
1940s & 50s   ;)

In those far off days in this neck of woods, Syria,
Palestine, Egypt etc were the Near East.

But I guess the terms have now become seen from the
transatlantic perspective in which, presumably, I live in
the near east (the UK)    ;)

But I would guess that Vassilis and friend are thinking of
the eastern region of Asia, not the central nor the Indian
subcontinent.

[snip]
> If you try to include Japan and the Koreas, or them plus
>  Mongolia, however, I’m not sure such an auxlang would be
>  doable.

It doesn't strike me as any less (or more) doable than a
pan-African auxlang   ;)


On 18/10/2016 07:49, Garth Wallace wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos
> wrote:
[snip]
> You'd find this a lot more difficult than Zamenhof did
> with Esperanto.
>
> Zamenhof's models were all from the Indo-European family
> and most fell to some extent within the Standard Average
> European sprachbung. They had a lot in common.

Yep - Esperanto is one of those auxlangs often dubbed a
"Euroclone" - not difficult to devise. During my teens I
used to churn out two or three of them per year  :)

Indeed, to compose a far-eastern regional auxlang is far
more challenging - but IMO more interesting for that region.
  Kumi Attobra didn't let the similar difficulties of a
pan-African auxlang put him off    :)

> Good luck.
>

Amen!  and have fun.

Ray

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