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CONLANG November 2016, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Introducing Coena!

From:

Melroch <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 7 Nov 2016 23:17:00 +0100

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It is quite possible that I still have the stuff on one of the 300 or so
old 3.5 diskettes I have lying in cabinets in a drawer, but even if hasn't
fallen prey to bit rot I wouldn't know which one. Also I don't have any
diskette reader which works with any of the computers I have now, nor does
any of those computers run the OS I used in that era.

As for substituting for case endings Sanskrit actually has quite a few
adverbs which can be used as postpositions:

https://goo.gl/uJJ3vp

https://archive.org/details/sanskritgrammarf014425mbp

Den 4 nov 2016 16:07 skrev "R A Brown" <[log in to unmask]>:

> On 04/11/2016 04:14, Adnan Majid wrote:
>
>> Hi BPJ,
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 12:01 PM, BPJ wrote:
>>
>> Den 2016-11-01 kl. 15:52, skrev R A Brown:
>>>
>>> I am sure a "Sanskrit without inflexions" would
>>>> equally, if not more. difficult.
>>>>
>>>
>>> As it happens Srikanth and I tried that. It didn't go
>>> to bad when allowing ourselves to use adverbs as
>>> postpositions and participles and the convenient
>>> enclitic _sma_, which in actual Sanskrit gives present
>>>  forms a past sense, as de facto tense forms, as is
>>> actually frequently done in post-classical Sanskrit in
>>>  order to avoid all those pesky forms of non-copula
>>> verbs! We didn't pursue it very far though.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Ooh, would love to hear more! How did you go about
>> rendering Sanskrit's many cases? And I'm not too familiar
>> with the enclitic "sma" - instead I've been using the
>> word "a" derived from the Sanskrit verb augment (related
>> to the Greek augment ε-).
>>
>
> Yes - is there anything that could be put online?  I would
> be happy to incorporate it somewhere on my Glossopoeia pages
>   :)
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> On 04/11/2016 05:16, Adnan Majid wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Interesting! *Coena*'s near-decade-old predecessor
>> *Vulgare, *which had just begun incorporating Greek
>> vocabulary, was still very grounded in vulgar
>> Latin/Romance norms – using *haber + past participle *to
>>  express the perfect and *haber/ir + infinitive *to
>> express the future tense.
>>
>
> Which, of course, is what was happening in
> proto-western-Romance   :)
>
> Eventually, a Greek-derived verb *echer*
>>
>
> Ah, the verb that appears as σχέ (sché) in TAKE   :)
>
> appeared that could substitute for *haber*. It was
>> alright, but I'm glad I moved away from those formulaic
>> structures in *Coena.*
>>
>
> Quite right too IMO.
>
> Ray
>

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