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CONLANG  January 2017, Week 1

CONLANG January 2017, Week 1

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Re: CONSCRIPT: Towards an Indigenous Dictionary of Siye

From:

Christa Hansberry <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:44:06 -0700

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I figured it must mean "I would refer to them"

-Christa

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Anthony Miles <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > This may fit under theory rather than no topic.
> >
> >  My language, Siye,  has a writing system that is in effect a syllabary
> > with some phonetic and (by virtue of its templatic morphology) semantic
> > components.  My current reference sheet to the system is a grid with the
> > onset consonant ( or absence thereof)  on one axis and the eval on
> > another.  This scheme however, was designed purely for my convenience
> > rather than reflecting the native order of the language.  I have details
> of
> > the system on my LiveJournal account but for obvious reasons you may not
> > want to go there.  So I'll provide a brief summary here  before asking my
> > question.
> >
> >  The native word for a character in the syllabary is literally 'family',
> > but that would be a little confusing in the way that Terrestrial
> linguists
> > use the word family, so I world war for to them as characters. The most
> > basic character consists of the largest component alone, which is called
> a
> > mother. A mother can have a smaller component modifying it – this,
> > unsurprisingly, is called a daughter. There can only be one mother in a
> > character, but there can be multiple daughters.  Sometimes there is an
> even
> > smaller component and Companying the daughter.  This component is called
> a
> > granddaughter.  Some characters only have daughters;  in these cases the
> > daughters in question are referred to as orphans, but any smaller
> component
> > is still called a granddaughter. A mother can be reduced in size and
> become
> > a daughter, but in that case any daughters of the former mother
> disappear.
> > The most common mothers to become daughters of a different mother are the
> > vowels it disappear as characters during vowel contraction - The vowel of
> > the new character is determined by vowel dominance.  But I feel it is
> more
> > important to sort out the basic characters first, so I'll put off that
> > discussion until another day.  The primary importance of secondary
> > characters in this discussion is that they are often homophonous wWith
> > primary characters but theoir restricted usage prevents confusion.
> >
> > So my next task was to establish an  indigenous order of the characters.
> I
> > examined Chinese characters stroke order  and organization by number of
> > strokes.  In Keno Siye ( The name for the writing system),  which runs
> from
> > left to right  on the level of completed characters,  a vertical downward
> > stroke is usually the first stroke.  This is followed by the right-hand
> > stroke and then the left-hand stroke and finally the daughter, especially
> > if the daughter is just the single line. In other cases, however,
> > especially those in which  The mother can be seen as a combination of two
> > right angles,  The right angle which resembles a V is written  but for
> the
> > right angle which resembles a backward L.  In unusually complex
> > characters,  especially those which have all their daughters on the right
> > side,  The left component of the mother is written first, even though the
> > right-hand component of the mother may be a straight line.  In the case
> of
> > orphans, and when the daughter is significantly large, The daughter or
> > leftmost orphan  is written first. So there are definite sequences in
> which
> > the strokes of the mother are written, although it is not always as rigid
> > as Chinese.
> >
> > Stroke count, however,  is a bit trickier.  The majority of  The mothers
> > and daughters have between three and five strokes.  Due to the genesis of
> > the writing system in our world, there are no one stroke characters or
> > mothers. So stroke number is not sufficient and itself to distinguish
> many
> > of the characters for what I'm going to call alphabetization,  although I
> > know that is not the correct term.  Currently I am thinking that the
> > construction of a native dictionary would require a combination of stroke
> > number and stroke order  and also the left or right component of the
> mother.
> >
>
> I believe the correct term is "collation".
>
>
> >   Those of you who have designed a writing system similar to what I have
> > described,  how did you handle this issue?  Is there something I have
> > neglected consider?
> > If this makes a difference, this writing system is the formal, careful
> > writing system designed for clarity rather than speed.  There is a
> cursive
> > system, but I want to fully understand the more linear system  first,
> since
> > the cursive system is a derivative of the formal linear system.
> >
> >  One final observation: in some characters the rotation of the
> geometrical
> > shape seems to affect the stroke order,  although rotation is not a
> fanatic
> > or semantic indicator.
> >
>
> I'm having a hard time visualizing this, but it doesn't sound like a
> radical/stroke order based system makes sense for this script (it does for
> Han characters because stroke order follows fairly rigid rules, though it
> gets hairy when you consider cursive or other styles like pseudo-seal
> script). I don't really understand the daughter/orphan thing.
>
> Also, it looks like autocorrect may have garbled part of your message ("so
> I world war for to them"?) which doesn't help.
>

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