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CONLANG  February 2017, Week 4

CONLANG February 2017, Week 4

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Re: Emihtazuu sketch

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Aidan Aannestad <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 26 Feb 2017 22:32:02 -0500

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Thanks for the comments!

On 2017/02/26 20:33:29, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
On 25 February 2017 at 21:06, Aidan Aannestad wrote:
> I finally have a sketch grammar of my main conlang Emihtazuu done-ish! It has very few examples, and could do with a good deal of expanding, but at least it exists. It's a little remarkable to compare how much I've worked on this with how little I actually seem to be able to write down about it - I assume the whole grammar-writing thing gets easier with practice.
>
> You can find the link here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/nic3hfsh7wqqt95/emihtazuu%20sketch.pdf?dl=0. I'd love comments on both the language and the description. I'd like to develop the section on tone sometime into an introduction to the basic principles of phonemic tone for conlangers; it'd be nice to have some feedback on how understandable it is.

Regarding footnote 2, I don't see how /h/ being realized as vowel
devoicing results in [x], etc. It seems to me like those are
independent allophonic features, where /h/ and certain vowel phonemes
happen to have different realization when in contact. 
Yeah, that's not the clearest explanation; I'll have to reword that. /h/ is realised more as a fricative dependent in place on the preceding vowel, optionally with so little friction noise that it's more of just a devoiced vowel. So /ahC/ could be [aħ] or [aḁ], which to my ears sound mostly the same, but there is a difference in friction noise.
Wherer you say "Most historically consonant-final nouns have been
reanalysed as vowel-final", it's not obvious why that should be
considered a re-analysis, and not just a case of consonant apocope.
It's a reanalysis because both historically consonant-final nouns and vowel-final nouns look vowel-final in the unmarked absolutive form. Compare:


mɛŋí `this thing' > erg mɛŋegí (*mankek > *mankeki)
eɕí `joint' > erg eɕéí (*ɨʨʰi > ɨʨʰii)

Thus, some nouns like mɛŋí are being given inflectional patterns like eɕí instead. I'll rewrite that to be more clear.
"Coda /h/ and nasals block tonal interactions, unless the tone is
spreading leftwards to an unmarked mora" sounds weird to me, because
as far as I can tell, spreading left to an unmarked mora is the
default, common case- not an exception. If that is not the case, then
some re-writing of previous material would seem to be in order.
That is the default, which continues to happen across coda consonants despite the fact that other tone interactions don't happen across coda consonants. I'll take a look and see if I can make that clearer.
Footnote 10 is tantalizing. I want to know how the sense "that was
then, this is now" *would* be rendered in Emihtazuu.
That's a tough one. You might just rephrase it as tɛ̂ŋgí nahnáɕí lɛ́ `this isn't how things were before', or something similarly direct. There's no way to preserve the English structure there.
How do the conjunctions work? Can they connect anything, or just
clauses? If only clauses, how do you express conjoined noun phrases?
How do you express disjunctions ("or" as opposed to "and")? 
Jo can connect noun phrases; everything else is only clauses. Disjunctions are done through a compound conjunction jo lɛmá  `if it isn't', which can shorten to jɛmá (which I should include with the conjunctions).
Since it is impossible to relativize possessors, what alternative
strategy would be used to translate things like "I sued the man whose
dog bit me because he cut me off in traffic."? (Note that I am
including an addition reason clause there solely to exclude a
translation of the form "I sued the man because his dog bit me.",
which introduces an additional semantic component missing from the
English original; feel free to leave out any mention of moving traffic
violations when composing an answer.)
I don't think there ís a single-sentence way to say that. You'd have to rephrase it as something like `you know that dog that bit me? I sued his owner because he cut me off in traffic.'
Are there anaphoric or other methods of referring to full sentences
with multiple arguments of their own as arguments of non-speech or
thought verbs? I.e., is there some construction like "I kicked the
dog, and he saw that", or "I kicked the dog and he saw I did."?
Yeah, I should mention perception verbs as another kind of verb that can take a full sentence as a complement. You can say even things like kei tahná nida eima `I like that you did that'. You can say just 'he saw me kick the dog' - nei razo sakáhná ligídá rɛhná, literally `I kicked the dog was visible to him'.
Even though it is short, it pleases me that you addressed discourse
structure and its relation to morphosyntax directly. I find discourse
is ignored by most conlang descriptions. 
I was working off a template that included it, and realised I had some things that legitimately fit well in such a section already. It is a bit of a neglected area in conlanging - I'd love to read a fully fleshed-out description of how discourse-level things work in someone's conlang.

-l.

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