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CONLANG March 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: extension/clarification of Pete Bleackley's vowel stribography

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:53:26 -0600

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What's the difference between alv-pal and pal-alv?

stevo

On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 5:40 AM, Melroch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> <facepalm>
>
> <plug type="shameless">
> I just recalled that there is also The All-ASCII Monstruous Magyaroid
> Digraph Device:
>
> <
> http://www.frathwiki.com/index.php?title=The_All-ASCII_
> Monstruous_Magyaroid_Digraph_Device&oldid=62414
> >
>
> It does however have the defect (in this context) of being almost usable.
>
> Since I last updated that page (which I won't do on my tablet!) I've come
> up with another way to carve up sibilant space:
>
>                alveolar       pal-alv        retroflex        alv-pal
>
> vl fric        sz             sc             s                sx
>
> vd fric        z              zc             zs               zx
>
> vl affric      cz             c              cs               cx
>
> vd affric      xz             xc             xs               x
>
> This has consequences for the notation of several other sounds. For example
> {r} becomes an alveolar tap/flap, an alveolar trill becomes {rr} and
> retroflex stops, nasal, tap/flap, trill and lateral become {ts ds ns rs rrs
> ls}, while {t d} become voiceless alveolar and voiced dental stop
> respectively, with dental fricatives and affricates becoming {sd zd cd xd}.
>
> </plug>
>
>
> Den 21 mar 2017 11:43 skrev "Pete Bleackley" <
> [log in to unmask]
> >:
> I looked for a Greek word meaning "twisted", and found "στριβος". The idea
> was that if othography was "straight writing", this was twisted writing.
>
> Pete Bleackley
> The Fantastical Devices of Pete The Mad Scientist -
> http://fantasticaldevices.blogspot.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melroch <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:35
> Subject: Re: extension/clarification of Pete Bleackley's vowel stribography
>
> BTW I wondered about the etymology of _stribo-_. It doesn't ring a bell and
> Google is not helpful. I'm probably exposing the extreme decay of my Greek
> here, am I not?
>
> /bpj
>
>
> Den 21 mar 2017 00:23 skrev "And Rosta" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> On 20 Mar 2017 15:33, "MorphemeAddict" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Using the vowel chart in Wikipedia and Pete Bleackley's stribography
> notations,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vowel
>
> I've systematized even more the whole vowel system.
>
>
> For those for whom fourteen years ago is not as yesterday, here's Pete's
> system:
> <
> https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=
> ind0309B&L=conlang&P=R2825
> >
>
>
>
> Next up is figuring out how they compare to John C. Wells's lexical sets,
> especially for US English.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexical_set
>
>
>
> The stribography is a phonetic notation, whereas the lexical sets are
> partly lexical sets and partly diaphonemes.
>
>
>
> And
>

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