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Re: Sandhi question

From:

Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:09:28 -0700

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​​
This is what Wiki says: "It may be extremely common in speech, but sandhi
(especially external) is typically ignored in spelling, as is the case in
English, except for the distinction between *a* and *an*. Sandhi is,
however, reflected in the orthography of Sanskrit
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit>, Telugu
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_language>, Marathi
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language>, Pali
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pali> and some other Indian languages, as
with in Italian in the case of compound words with lexicalized syntactic
gemination."

Which brings me back to my original question: Is there a special term for
"textualized" phonological sound changes, versus "non-textualized"? Or does
anyone know that there is no such term?


On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:59 AM, Melroch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I would contend that in a sense _sandhi_ means just "morphophone*ic
> alterations which are marked in writing". At least that is how it is used
> in practice by western Indologists. Whether the early Indic phoneticians
> and/or grammarians knew writing is still a point of contention. Taking
> _sandhi_ to mean just "morphophone*ic alternation" I'd say
> _orthographically marked/expressed sandhi_ to be explicit.
>
> /bpj
>
> Den 12 apr 2017 02:52 skrev "Jeffrey Brown" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > Good point, Mach. I suppose I will describe what I am doing and see if
> > anyone knows of a linguistic term that covers it.
> > In my conlang there are many sound changes that occur at morpheme
> > boundaries: lenition, fusion, deletion, devoicing, ...
> > In the con-history of my conlang, writing arrived late (brought by
> > anthropologists). The people adopted the idea of writing and used a form
> of
> > the roman alphabet with a lot of diacritics. The language is written
> > phonemically. So, the sound changes are represented in the spelling. This
> > can obscure the stems and affixes, even to the point of affixes
> > disappearing entirely in a few circumstances.
> > On the other hand, there are some sound changes that are not represented
> in
> > the writing. For example, elision at word boundaries, and epenthetic
> > glottal stops in a few circumstances. So, I have orthographic and
> > non-orthographic sound changes.
> > The questions is: Is there linguistics jargon for this?
> > Jeffrey
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 1:07 PM, J. 'Mach' Wust <
> > [log in to unmask]
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:58:38 -0700, Jeffrey Brown wrote:
> > >
> > > >I meant to write: "The sound changes are present in speech. The
> question
> > > is
> > > >whether there is a term for those sound changes if they are also
> > > >represented orthographically, versus only present in speech."
> > >
> > > I concur with David McCann that such orthographies could be called
> > > phonetic.
> > >
> > > One of my favorite con-orthographies is such a phonetic orthography
> > > that transcribes sandhi. It is a kind of Finnish-flavoured
> > > con-orthography for Swiss German. However, I have not yet found an
> > > entirely satisfying solution for marking the sandhi. Some examples
> > > (the slot where the sandhi mark should go is marked with <?>):
> > >
> > > <tt> + <nase> → tt nase ‘the nose’ (no sandhi)
> > > <tt> + <muetter> → pp<?>muetter ‘the mother’
> > > <tt> + <xùxxi> → k<?>xùxxi ‘the kitchen’
> > > <tt> + <kxantte> → <?>kxantte ‘the edge’
> > >
> > > I have considered using a hyphen, a middle dot, or an apostrophe.
> > > Scriptio continua would be a solution, but I feel that with the Latin
> > > script, it only works in all caps. What solution do you have in mind
> > > (possibly in a whole different script)?
> > >
> > > --
> > > grüess
> > > mach
> > >
> >
>

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