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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 2

CONLANG April 2017, Week 2

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Re: Usage: Church Latin vocatives

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 9 Apr 2017 14:33:34 +0100

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On 09/04/2017 12:18, And Rosta wrote:
> On 9 Apr 2017 08:24, "R A Brown" wrote:
>>
>> The regular vocative singular was _Dee_ which was used by
>> Tertullian and Prudentius. But pronouncing this as two
>> syllables (both Es being short) correctly in normal speech
>> is clearly awkward.
>>
>> It was IMO fairly 'natural' for the anonymous
>> translators of the Old latin versions to use _deus_ rather
>> than the phonetically awkward _dee_.
>
>
> I am away from my copy of Vox Latina, so let me ask more about this
> awkwardness. Any awkwardness surely can't have been literally purely
> phonetic.

It's awkward in English, isn't it?  I can't think of any 
words where /ɛ.ɛ/ occur in contiguous syllables.  But if 
they do they surely will not retain separate pronunciations 
in allegro speech.

> Assuming that contiguous heterosyllabic (what's the evidence for
> the heterosyllabicity?) identical nonhigh vowels were phonologically licit,
> perhaps the problem was the combination of their rarity and the marginality
> of their phonetic contrast with other long monophthongs?

Fairly marginal and clearly contracted in normal speech to a 
single vowel, cf. cohors ~ cors.  It's clear from the 
Romance languages that the contracted short vowel was the 
norm in speech, e.g. cover [verb] <-- Old French _covrir_ 
(Modern _couvrir_) <-- Vulgar Latin *coperīre ( = Classical 
cooperīre).

> Or maybe they were
> phonologically licit in earlier Latin but became illicit along with other
> reorganizations to the vowel system? --

They were marginal and simplified in spoken Latin. 
Turtullian and Prudentius may have used the "correct" _Dee_ 
in writing.  But had this form caught on it would surely 
have been pronounced just as /dɛ/.  The evidence is clear 
that Latin speaking Jews and, later, Latin speaking 
Christians felt happier with _Deus_ /'dɛʊs/

Ray

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