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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 2

CONLANG April 2017, Week 2

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Re: Proper names and inflections

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:34:02 +0100

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On 10/04/2017 08:28, R A Brown wrote:
> On 09/04/2017 19:51, Mike S. wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:48 PM, R A Brown wrote:
  [snip]
[snip

>>> - there are no proper nouns with 4th (or 5th)
>>> declensions endings in Latin.
>>>
>>
>> I have to quibble slightly here.  The 4th declension
>> genitive singular ending occurs in a handful of Greek
>> loans like Dido and Echo,
>
> But _Dīdūs_ is just the Greek ending, and the regular
> Dīdōnis is also used in Latin. The name is found with all
> the regular Latin 3rd decl. endings as well as with Greek
> endings.
>
> _ēchō_ is much rarer in Latin.  But the nom., acc. &
> dative _ēchō_ can hardly be classed as 4th decl.! The
> gen. _ēchūs_ is marely retaining the Greek ending.
>

Good grief!!! I've just seen the Wiktionary entry for 
_ēchō_.  I am certain this is incorrect.  For starters, is 
the noun *ever* attested in the plural?   As a common noun 
meaning "repercussion of sound, echo" it is rare, the normal 
Latin being _imāgō_; as a proper noun, the nymph Echo, it 
cannot, of course, have a plural.  I doubt *very much* 
whether the dative singular *echui and ablative *echu, which 
Wiktionary gives, are ever found.

IMHO the entry is a fiction.

At least with Dīdō it is clearly 3rd declension in Latin, 
with _alternative_ Greek forms being used at times by poet, 
thus (using Rightpondian order of cases):

Nom. & Voc.   Dīdō
Accusative    Dīdōnem _or_ Dīdō
Genitive      Dīdōnis _or_ Dīdūs
Dative        Dīdōnī  _or_ Dīdō
Ablative      Dīdōne

IMHO to classify this as 3rd in prose but may be 4th in 
verse is perverse.

I still maintain that there are _no_ 4th or 5th declension 
proper nouns in Latin.

Ray.

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