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CONLANG April 2017, Week 2

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Re: Usage: Church Latin vocatives

From:

Melroch <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:24:09 +0200

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From an Proto-Indo-European perspective the vocative of the o-stems is the
bare stem (not root) with the stem vowel in e-grade.

/bpj


Den 11 apr 2017 21:43 skrev "J. 'Mach' Wust" <[log in to unmask]>:

> On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 19:59:52 +0100, And Rosta wrote:
>
> >So let's ask why it became /'dɛʊs/. The phonetic difficulty would have
> been
> >the difficulty of having a monosyllabic--disyllabic contrast in a phonetic
> >monophthong. So given that the phonologically expected vocative would have
> >been /dɛ/ rather than /dɛ.ɛ/, the vocative would have ended up as a bare
> >stem. How many vocatives consist of just a bare stem, and how many
> >vocatives share the form of the nominative?
>
> Just as a side-note: I think it is quite remarkable that the few overt
> vocatives in Latin, that is to say, the ones that have a form distinct
> from the nominative, feel as if they were bare forms without a case
> ending. That makes perfect sense for vocatives, since vocatives are
> not defined by their grammatical function within a sentence, but
> instead by their discursive or, if you will, kinda deictic function.
> Case endings normally express a grammatical function, so it feels
> natural that a word without a grammatical function should not have a
> case ending.
>
> A parallel is found in Southern German: Nouns with a grammatical
> function have a case marking that consists mainly of the article and
> sometimes of an ending. Vocative nouns do not any case marking, that
> is, they lack the article. For instance, you would have «der Thomas»
> in the nominative, but bare «Thomas» in the vocative.
>
> Have others come up with a vocative that is characterized by a lack of
> case marking?
>
> --
> grüess
> mach
>

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