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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 3

CONLANG April 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Allative and other local cases

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:30:02 +0200

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Hallo conlangers!

On 21/04/2017 15:35 R A Brown wrote:

> On 21/04/2017 08:14, R A Brown wrote:
> [snip]
>> But to return to the proper meanings of ablative and
>> allative, we find that Finnish and Estonian have a fine
>> set of local cases:
>> Allative case ("onto")
>> Ablative case ("from off")
>> Elative case ("out of")
>> Illative case ("into")
>> Adessive case ("on")
>> Inessive case ("in")
>>
>> The -latives imply motion, the -essives no motion.
>>
>> Many, many moons ago I outline a similar system for a
>> conlang sketch that is now, alas, lost.
>>
>
> I've found it!! The sketch is no longer lost :)
>
> What I had was:
>
> BASIC OUTER INNER
> <----- Agentive Ablative Elative
> * Absolute Adessive Inessive
> ------> Dative Allative Illative
>
> The 'basic' cases show that it was an ergative language. By
> 'outer' IIRC I mean motion or position to/from/at outside
> the person or things, while 'inner' is inside, i.e.
>
> Ablative case "away from"
> Adessive case "near, by, beside"
> Allative case "toward(s)"
> Elative case "out of"
> Inessive case "in(side), within"
> Illative case "into"

There are natlangs that do even better:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsez_language#Locative_case_suffixes

I have plans to do that kind of thing in a descendant of Old Albic.

> Perhaps another incentive to return to work on Britainese
> and get that done, then revive and put some flesh on the sketch?

Yep.

--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Éam, a Éam atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Éamal." - SiM 1:1

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