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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 3

CONLANG April 2017, Week 3

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Re: Vulgar generates fantasy languages with a click

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kechpaja <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 21 Apr 2017 02:19:10 +0300

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Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree with David here. Think about what
happened with Christopher Paolini and the Inheritence trilogy: wanting
an "ancient language" for his world, he started looking up Old Norse
words, assigned them fairly arbitrary pronunciations based on English,
and then put them together into what was essentially a cipher for
English. IIRC there was a bit more to it than that — adjectives came
after nouns, and some of the Old Norse grammar was borrowed along with
the words — but it was a far cry from the languages that people on this
list create. 

Needless to say, the books still sold, and I don't think I've ever seen
anyone complain about the language outside of the (broadly defined)
conlanging and linguistics communities. And IMO Vulgar does a better job
than Paolini (although that's of course a subjective assessment). 

Perhaps we need to try and convince people that they need a custom
language as a status symbol or fashionable decoration, in the same way
that people buy paintings without necessarily being well versed in art?
I'm honestly not sure if I'm joking about that or not. 

 - kechpaja -

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:51:43PM -0700, David Peterson wrote:
> That may be true, in this magical world where there are conlanging jobs falling from the sky, and everyone has some idea how language works. In the real world, though, no. lol No, no, no. I mean, IKEA? Seriously? You’re talking about furniture making, where there aren’t just individual furniture makers, but small businesses for furniture, large businesses for furniture, and multinational furniture chains. And you’re talking about a craft that literally everyone needs, and where you don’t have people saying, “Nah, having chairs and a table is too expensive. We’ll just use the floor. No one will be able to tell the difference.” You seriously think that’s a fair comparison? Honestly, good luck coming up with one. I haven’t found one.
> 
> Actually, the worst part about it is *I* probably *will* continue to get jobs simply because of the name recognition of Game of Thrones, but what little path to professional conlanging there was will evaporate—especially with authors. Once authors know that this option exists, those jobs will disappear. It’s hard enough to convince authors that they should do something other than make up words on the spot.
> 
> David Peterson
> LCS Member Since 2007
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.artoflanguageinvention.com/
> 
> =================================
> Purchase The Art of Language Invention!
> 
> http://bit.ly/conlang
> =================================
> 
> > On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Juanma Barranquero <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:27 PM, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > 
> >> Yeah, that’s the problem. The more visibility it gets, the more likely it
> >> is that conlangers won’t ever get jobs again. Because, having worked in
> >> Hollywood for eight years now, I can tell you they can’t tell the
> > difference
> >> between something generated with the press of a button and something a
> >> conlanger created, and they don’t care.
> > 
> > Perhaps, but I think that's too broad a generalization.
> > 
> > Those happy with IKEA will use automated tools, discriminating people
> > wanting custom-made noble-wood furniture will contact you and other expert
> > conlangers. Today, you can buy a Swatch for $20 or $30, or a Patek Philippe
> > for $20,000 or $30,000 or more. There's a place for cheap, low quality, but
> > that only underscores the good work of true artisans.
> 

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