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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 3

CONLANG April 2017, Week 3

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Re: Vulgar generates fantasy languages with a click

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MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 21 Apr 2017 00:57:24 -0500

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I was wondering the same thing.
What is the presentation form of a conlang? A text? Speech? Song? Grammar
and dictionary?

stevo

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Gage Amonette <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> >
> > Perhaps we need to try and convince people that they need a custom
> > language as a status symbol or fashionable decoration, in the same way
> > that people buy paintings without necessarily being well versed in art?
> > I'm honestly not sure if I'm joking about that or not.
>
>
> You can hang a painting on your wall; where would you put a conlang. You
> could use it to make personalized signs, I suppose, but conlanging is not a
> visual art.
>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 4:19 PM, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree with David here. Think about what
> > happened with Christopher Paolini and the Inheritence trilogy: wanting
> > an "ancient language" for his world, he started looking up Old Norse
> > words, assigned them fairly arbitrary pronunciations based on English,
> > and then put them together into what was essentially a cipher for
> > English. IIRC there was a bit more to it than that — adjectives came
> > after nouns, and some of the Old Norse grammar was borrowed along with
> > the words — but it was a far cry from the languages that people on this
> > list create.
> >
> > Needless to say, the books still sold, and I don't think I've ever seen
> > anyone complain about the language outside of the (broadly defined)
> > conlanging and linguistics communities. And IMO Vulgar does a better job
> > than Paolini (although that's of course a subjective assessment).
> >
> > Perhaps we need to try and convince people that they need a custom
> > language as a status symbol or fashionable decoration, in the same way
> > that people buy paintings without necessarily being well versed in art?
> > I'm honestly not sure if I'm joking about that or not.
> >
> >  - kechpaja -
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 02:51:43PM -0700, David Peterson wrote:
> > > That may be true, in this magical world where there are conlanging jobs
> > falling from the sky, and everyone has some idea how language works. In
> the
> > real world, though, no. lol No, no, no. I mean, IKEA? Seriously? You’re
> > talking about furniture making, where there aren’t just individual
> > furniture makers, but small businesses for furniture, large businesses
> for
> > furniture, and multinational furniture chains. And you’re talking about a
> > craft that literally everyone needs, and where you don’t have people
> > saying, “Nah, having chairs and a table is too expensive. We’ll just use
> > the floor. No one will be able to tell the difference.” You seriously
> think
> > that’s a fair comparison? Honestly, good luck coming up with one. I
> haven’t
> > found one.
> > >
> > > Actually, the worst part about it is *I* probably *will* continue to
> get
> > jobs simply because of the name recognition of Game of Thrones, but what
> > little path to professional conlanging there was will
> evaporate—especially
> > with authors. Once authors know that this option exists, those jobs will
> > disappear. It’s hard enough to convince authors that they should do
> > something other than make up words on the spot.
> > >
> > > David Peterson
> > > LCS Member Since 2007
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > http://www.artoflanguageinvention.com/
> > >
> > > =================================
> > > Purchase The Art of Language Invention!
> > >
> > > http://bit.ly/conlang
> > > =================================
> > >
> > > > On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Juanma Barranquero <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 11:27 PM, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Yeah, that’s the problem. The more visibility it gets, the more
> > likely it
> > > >> is that conlangers won’t ever get jobs again. Because, having worked
> > in
> > > >> Hollywood for eight years now, I can tell you they can’t tell the
> > > > difference
> > > >> between something generated with the press of a button and
> something a
> > > >> conlanger created, and they don’t care.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps, but I think that's too broad a generalization.
> > > >
> > > > Those happy with IKEA will use automated tools, discriminating people
> > > > wanting custom-made noble-wood furniture will contact you and other
> > expert
> > > > conlangers. Today, you can buy a Swatch for $20 or $30, or a Patek
> > Philippe
> > > > for $20,000 or $30,000 or more. There's a place for cheap, low
> > quality, but
> > > > that only underscores the good work of true artisans.
> > >
> >
>

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