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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 3

CONLANG April 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Allative and other local cases (was:: The Sith Language)

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 21 Apr 2017 08:14:02 +0100

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On 20/04/2017 22:27, Eyal Minsky-Fenick wrote:
> I /thought/ allative came from adsimilating ad+lative.

Correct - tho we are dealing with an assimilation in _Latin_ 
itself.

The Latin adjective _ablātīvus_, coined over 2K years ago,
is derived from the supine of the verb:
auferō, auferre, abstulī, abāltum = to carry away
(ab + ferō, ferre, tulī, lātum)

The ablative case (cāsus ablātīvus) denoted, inter_alia,
'movement away from.'

Therefore, centuries later when linguists found languages,
e.g. Finnish, with a case denoting 'toward(s)', they coined
'allative' from the Latin verb:
afferō, afferre, attulī, allātum = to carry toward(s)
(ad + ferō, ferre, tulī, lātum)

---------------------------------------------------------

On 20/04/2017 22:47, Gage Amonette wrote:
>>
>> Fear not! It may not be common, but there are genuine
>> results for "adlative" as the opposite of "ablative"
>> (synonymous with "allative") in Google Books. It
>> appears to be used in grammars of Basque and a book on
>>  subject of clitics in general (glossing abbreviation
>> ADLAT).
>
>
> You're right. Perhaps it was too early to admit spelling
>  defeat.

I checked in Trask (A Dictionary of Grammatical Terms in
Linguistics) as he was, among other things, an authority on
Basque. He lists only _allative_ with the gloss: "A case
form which typically indicates the goal of motion: Basque
_etxera_ 'to the house' (_etxe_ 'house')."

Trask makes no mention of an alternative _adlative_
spelling.  I assume _adlative_ is a later hypercorrection on
the analogy of _ablative <- ab+lative_, so _adlative <-
ad+lative_.

---------------------------------------------------------

The Latin ablative did have other meanings besides 'movement
(away) from_; that is because the Latin case was in fact an
amalgam of at least three earlier PIE cases: ablative,
instrumental & locative (tho a separate locative did survive
for names of cities and two nouns: domus = 'house', rūs =
'country[side]').

But to return to the proper meanings of ablative and
allative, we find that Finnish and Estonian have a fine set
of local cases:
     Allative case ("onto")
     Ablative case ("from off")
     Elative case ("out of")
     Illative case ("into")
     Adessive case ("on")
     Inessive case ("in")

The -latives imply motion, the -essives no motion.

Many, many moons ago I outline a similar system for a
conlang sketch that is now, alas, lost.

Ray

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