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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 4

CONLANG April 2017, Week 4

Subject:

Re: question about phonemic vs. non-phonemic sounds

From:

David McCann <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Apr 2017 17:01:26 +0100

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On Tue, 25 Apr 2017 10:52:26 +0200
Melroch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> One criterion would be whether the language allows word or syllable
> initial clusters or not.
> If these [mw sw tw] etc. occur word/syllable initially but other
> consonant clusters don't then you have a good case for analysing them
> as single phonemes.
> A special case would be if both Cw and Cj clusters occur initially
> but no others. You might then analyse them as Cʷ and Cʲ respectively.

But there are languages where the only permitted clusters are Cy- and
Cw- (e.g. Burmese); these are the commonest CC- sequences.

Rounded phonemes other than dorsals are uncommon. Several languages
have /kʷ/, but /sʷ/ is rather rare. I'd say the only case in which they
should be considered phonemes is if there is a potential contrast. If
you have words with [sw-] and [sʷ-], then /sʷ/ is a phoneme.

But there's always the question of taste. It's like the disagreement
between linguists over whether English has /ŋ/.

In my Liburnese, I recognise /kʷ/ and /gʷ/ because there are no other
instances of [w] and no diphthongs. I never intended labiovelars and it
was several years before I realised that I had them!

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