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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 4

CONLANG April 2017, Week 4

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Re: basic color terms in conlangs

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:06:27 +0100

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Just a few observations:

On 27/04/2017 02:54, Leo Moser wrote:
[snip]
> Leo Moser comments and asks a few questions: The color
> system of a conlang can be linked to its number system.
> This can (among other things) provide mnemonic value.
> Have any of you created a conlang with such linkage? I
> have used the concept, as some of you may recall, in
> Bahasan. Ten basic colors (white, black, and grey among
> them) lined up with each of the ten digits. (Also for
> eleven and twelve.)

I don't recall the number-color linkage of Bahasan.  Clearly 
this is possible but it surely would be only found in a 
schematic or 'philosophic' conlang aimed at being an 
a_priori or possibly mixed auxlang.  In a conlang which aims 
to appear naturalistic it would surely be out of place - but 
they may well be in place in a conlang that aims ti be 
"mystical"; in which case they may well also be linked to 
symbols in the written system (see below).

> Colors have, I believe, been linked to letters of the
> alphabet

This page has a table with colors linked to numbers and to 
letters of the alphabet:
http://www.inspirationtolivewell.com/2009/08/pythagoras-and-colors.html

We know that the letters of the Hebrew abjad and Greek 
alphabet were also used as numerals; I have no doubt that 
there are many other examples of such systems.  If one is 
linking colors to numbers then linking them with characters 
of the written system (alphabet, abjad, abugida or whatever) 
could easily be done.

[snip]
[snip]
> Reliance on color to supply semantic value in
> human language is IMO dangerous, since we are not all
> alike.

Quite so, which is why such a thing would IMO be absurd in 
an auxlang.  But in a conlang, it would surely depend upon 
the context in which it is written - particular colors may 
well have symbolic meaning to the conculture in which the 
language is spoken.

[snip]
> English and other
> languages have usages like “His future looked black” or
> “That’s a black mark against you.” These may not be
> racist, but they tie a color to what I call a ‘semantic
> pole.’ Specifically they tie the color black to things
> negative.

Tho being in the black as regards one's finances is 
generally reckoned a good and positive thing     :)

[snip]
>
> However, our non-human artlangs need not worry about
> such matters.

Yep - as I observed above.

[snip]
>
> Linking numbers to the alphabet is probably as old as
> the concept of alphabetic order.

Not sure about that.  But the origin of alphabetic order is 
a puzzle.  OK - we can account for the order of our modern 
Roman alphabet through its history.  But this ultimately 
goes back the the proto-Canaanite abjad.  But what 
determined the order of its character?  What determined the 
order of letters in the Runic alphabet?

Ray

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