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CONLANG  April 2017, Week 4

CONLANG April 2017, Week 4

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Re: basic color terms in conlangs

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 27 Apr 2017 09:38:17 +0000

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If Old Norse used "blue" to refer to dark skin, does that mean that Hel was
not what modern Anglophones would call half-blue, but instead just
half-dark-skinned? Perhaps she resembled the Cheronians from "Let That Be
Your Last Battlefield"..
On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 05:06 R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Just a few observations:
>
> On 27/04/2017 02:54, Leo Moser wrote:
> [snip]
> > Leo Moser comments and asks a few questions: The color
> > system of a conlang can be linked to its number system.
> > This can (among other things) provide mnemonic value.
> > Have any of you created a conlang with such linkage? I
> > have used the concept, as some of you may recall, in
> > Bahasan. Ten basic colors (white, black, and grey among
> > them) lined up with each of the ten digits. (Also for
> > eleven and twelve.)
>
> I don't recall the number-color linkage of Bahasan.  Clearly
> this is possible but it surely would be only found in a
> schematic or 'philosophic' conlang aimed at being an
> a_priori or possibly mixed auxlang.  In a conlang which aims
> to appear naturalistic it would surely be out of place - but
> they may well be in place in a conlang that aims ti be
> "mystical"; in which case they may well also be linked to
> symbols in the written system (see below).
>
> > Colors have, I believe, been linked to letters of the
> > alphabet
>
> This page has a table with colors linked to numbers and to
> letters of the alphabet:
> http://www.inspirationtolivewell.com/2009/08/pythagoras-and-colors.html
>
> We know that the letters of the Hebrew abjad and Greek
> alphabet were also used as numerals; I have no doubt that
> there are many other examples of such systems.  If one is
> linking colors to numbers then linking them with characters
> of the written system (alphabet, abjad, abugida or whatever)
> could easily be done.
>
> [snip]
> [snip]
> > Reliance on color to supply semantic value in
> > human language is IMO dangerous, since we are not all
> > alike.
>
> Quite so, which is why such a thing would IMO be absurd in
> an auxlang.  But in a conlang, it would surely depend upon
> the context in which it is written - particular colors may
> well have symbolic meaning to the conculture in which the
> language is spoken.
>
> [snip]
> > English and other
> > languages have usages like “His future looked black” or
> > “That’s a black mark against you.” These may not be
> > racist, but they tie a color to what I call a ‘semantic
> > pole.’ Specifically they tie the color black to things
> > negative.
>
> Tho being in the black as regards one's finances is
> generally reckoned a good and positive thing     :)
>
> [snip]
> >
> > However, our non-human artlangs need not worry about
> > such matters.
>
> Yep - as I observed above.
>
> [snip]
> >
> > Linking numbers to the alphabet is probably as old as
> > the concept of alphabetic order.
>
> Not sure about that.  But the origin of alphabetic order is
> a puzzle.  OK - we can account for the order of our modern
> Roman alphabet through its history.  But this ultimately
> goes back the the proto-Canaanite abjad.  But what
> determined the order of its character?  What determined the
> order of letters in the Runic alphabet?
>
> Ray
>

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