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CONLANG May 2017, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Martian Quenya

From:

"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 3 May 2017 11:02:58 -0400

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Any interest in incorporating the comic book Mars of J'onn J'onzz,
Manhunter from Mars?  He's a regular on the current Supergirl TV series and
we've had several examples of Martian language on that show.

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Puey McCleary <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> ​ As for the name of the Martian Language, so far I know of a couple of
> terms: Hlávë, which is really just a generic word for "language," Mallávë,
> which would mean something like "The Kingly Language."  No doubt other
> terms I shall discover as I look at other sources (next month I shall be
> examining Tolstoy's "Aelita of Mars.")
>
>  Now, as for what to call the language in English, be it "Martian Latin,"
> or "Martian Quenya," or "Martian Esperanto," or "Classical Martian," I'll
> let the List debate that.
>
>  It seems clear to me that Lewis had 1930s-ish Qenya in mind when he wrote
> "Eldil" and "Hlab" and "Oyarsa," though he also seems to have had in mind
> infixes and some rather complex ablaut which give his words their own
> texture.
>  In terms of how Wells' Mars, and Tolstoy's Mars, and Greg's Mars, and the
> Marses of Lewis and Burroughs and Bradbury and others can all be the same
> place, this is an exercise in which fans have spent countless hours to make
> all of these Mars the same landscape ... um, Marscape.
>
>  Den Valdron on the erbzine list has written many articles on the subject,
> which can be found here:
>
> http://www.erbzine.com/mag14/1402.html
>
>  (He mentions me in the article about Aelita that I pestered him to write).
>
>  I'm trying to use as much of Greg's "Martial Language," as I can.  Most of
> his affixes and vocabulary present no problems.  Some of his inflexions
> I've been able to take.  Fortunately he provides the verb "To Be" (avi),
> which is quite useful - I used it in one of the sample sentences I quoted
> yesterday.
>  Very little of Paul Frommer's material I've been able to find.  His
> Martian is a staccato Indonesian-inspired language.  I did borrow and
> modify a couple of his ideas: gi, gig "they, them" becomes ngí (they,
> absolutive case), for instance.
>
>  My Martian can't quite be of the staccato flavor, though.  This is the
> Martian, after all, of the mask-clad, bee-gun-weilding Martians of Ray
> Bradbury who sail upon sand skiffs.  The Martian of Dejah Thoris (Nheshah
> Thóris) and Thuvia of Ptarth (Thuvïa Ptartho), and the poetry of Hyoi (um
> ... Hyoi) has a certain sound in my mind.
>
>  It occurred to me that, just using the words of Martian Quenya (Martian
> Latin?) I've been able to glean from the pulpy sources, I have all of the
> words, save two, needed to translate the western version of the Ave Maria.
> The two words missing are "pray" and "sinner."
>
>  Perhaps Martian Esperanto (Martian Volapük?)  has no distinct word for
> "pray."  If memory serves, I believe that's the case with gzb.  More
> likely, though, "pray" is derived from "say," perhaps "lordly-say."  As for
> "sinner," it'll no doubt come from the root meaning "bent."
>
>  Since Martian Láadan (Martian Loglan?)  is structurally similar to Elvish
> Quenya (Quenya Quenya?) , I'll compare Tolkien's version of the Hail Mary
> with my attempt below.  Note that Tolkien just uses the forms "María" and
> "Yésus," which, for the purposes of this exercise I'll follow.  Also, the
> Quenya reads "at the hour when we die" rather than "the hour of our death."
>
>  (For an in-depth analysis of Tolkien's Hail Mary translation, see H. K.
> Fauskanger's treatise at: http://folk.uib.no/hnoht/)
>
>
>  AIA MARÍA QUANTA ERUANNO I HÉRU AS ALYË
>  Alú hil María' o vulpë' Ellolet, Maleldiler nototlë.
>  Ah!  Oh Mary who full grace-with Lord-erg with-thee.
>  "Oh Mary, full of grace, Maleldil is with thee."
>
>  AISTANA ELYË IMÍCA NÍSI, AR AISTANA I YÁVA MÓNALYO YÉSUS.
>  Malacar thá thelcin shashaishshë, shun malacar o sopu' átahotlo Yésus.
>  Blessed-erg thou among women-distrib-loc and blessed-erg the fruit
> egg-thy-gen Jesus.
>  "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thine egg,
> Jesus."
>
>  AIRË MARÍA ERUO ONTARIL Á HYAMË RÁMEN ÚCARINDOR SÍ AR LÚMESSË YA
> FIRUVAMMË.  NÁSIË.
>  Hil ofarëa María' o' Ótho Thuwa ?? feundoi mi ?? yel në shodnol rhovofto.
> Ar!
>  Oh holy Mary who God-gen mother PRAY-continuous them-I-dat who-distrib
> SINNER-distrib now and hour-acc death-they-I-gen.  So-be-it!
>  "Holy Mary, God's Mother, (pray) for us (sinners) now and at the hour of
> our death.  So be it!"
>
>  Until next time, Jasoomians.
>



-- 
Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>

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