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CONLANG  May 2017, Week 1

CONLANG May 2017, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Direct-inverse Relative Clauses

From:

J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 1 May 2017 07:28:31 -0400

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 19:12:39 -0600, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>On 30 April 2017 at 18:31, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 16:24:55 -0600, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>On 30 April 2017 at 14:45, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>  A related issue involves identity clauses and those definition clauses where the predicate isn't a single word.
>>>
>>>What I've been contemplating doing for Valaklwuuxa in these cases (and
>>>what I *think* Lillooet does, although I may be misinterpreting the
>>>relevant examples), is to use a zero-copula construction. E.g.,
>>>
>>>txe swetqe - txe tupund
>>>txe swetqe-0 0 txe tupund-0
>>>DEF man-3 COP DEF hit-3/3s
>>>"The hitter is the man."
>>>
>>>This would be the only situation in which a clause can start with a determiner.
>>>
>> It seems very difficult to avoid a copula of some kind, although I suppose a zero-copula can appear anywhere. But what about "There's the hitter and he's the man"? It seems very awkward.
>
>It's awkward in English, sure, but we have other ways of saying that
>in English. I don't see why that couldn't be a perfectly normal mode
>of expression in some other language.
>
I was reading (Jelinek 1993?) about prepositions in Salish and saw that personal pronouns are also verbs there. Noting that personal pronouns are inherently definite, I figured that I could also have a 3rd person pronominal verb for identity clauses, even though the text didn't mention any.

ni tewa tek fidugi.
PRS be3-3 DEF=PC AOR-see-1S/3
"They're the ones I saw."

Jeff

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