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CONLANG May 2017, Week 1

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Re: Fanlangs

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 5 May 2017 19:26:50 +0100

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On 05/05/2017 15:08, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> Hallo conlangers!
>
> On 05/05/2017 15:37 R A Brown wrote:
>
>> On 05/05/2017 13:09, Puey McCleary wrote:
[snip]
>>> I mean a conlang created by fans for fannish
>>> purposes.
>>
>> Which is exactly what I understood Fanlang to mean when
>> I saw it in the subject line   :)
>
> As did I.

... and, I imagine, many others did as well.

>>
>>> ATLANTEAN
>>>
[snip]
>>
>> The main difference, as I see it, between Mars, Narnia
>>  & the Ringworld on the one hand and Atlantis on the
>> other is that while we all know where Mars is and that
>>  Narnia was the creation of C.S. Lewis and the
>> Ringworld the creation of J.R.R. Tolkien,
>
> What a funny misunderstanding! "Ringworld" is a science
> fiction novel by Larry Niven. Which features various
> alien species but no conlangs, thus being fertile ground
>  for fanlangs.

OOPS! I should've checked and not hastily have assumed that
'Ringworld' was a Pueyism for 'the world of the One Ring and
the 19 lesser rings' - mea culpa!

But the point I make still holds.  Ringworld is the creation
of a known author.

>> but there is no agreement as to where Atlantis, or what
>> it was or, indeed, whether it ever existed at all and
>> was the invention of Plato (I think the last).

... and that still holds.   :)

>> If Atlantis was not Plato's invention, was it Thera
>> (aka Santorini) blown apart by a volcanic eruption in
>> the 7th or 6th century BC?  Was it some other island in
>> the Med, a lost continent beneath the Atlantic ocean,
>> Antarctica before it was covered in ice, in the
>> Caribbean (and still responsible for the 'Bermuda
>> Triangle'), a lost continent in the Indian Ocean or the
>> Pacific Ocean, or where?
>>
>> There are so many quite different Antlantean myths, so
>>  any conlonger who wishes to 'discover' the Atlantean
>> language has first to discover Atlantis itself.    :)
>
> I myself entertain the notion that part of the Atlantis
> myth was a memory of a lost civilization in the British
> Isles

Ah, yet another Atlantis   :)

[snip]
>
> The main reason to assume that Plato did not just make up
> his tale from whole cloth is that he attributes it to
> Solon the Lawgiver, a very respected person to whom
> nobody could attribute a bogus tall tale without raising
>  a scandal. Think of an American ufologist claiming that
>  George Washington had contact with space aliens, and you
>  get the picture.

Is any myth ever made of from a whole cloth?  I disagree
with several points in your first sentence, but I don't want
to go into details because:
- I don't want Puey's Fanlang thread to get side-tracked and
become yet another Atlantean thread;
- the question of Atlantis has been discussed here before.

Nor do I think your second sentence is a valid parallel, and
not just because ...

On 05/05/2017 16:51, Puey McCleary wrote:
> ​ George Washington DID have contact with space aliens.
> As we all know, at the end of his life he was assumed
> into the heavens in a scene depicted in "The Apotheosis
> of Washington," a fresco in the Capitol Building.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apotheosis_of_Washington

...
>
>
but also because I do not think Plato's use of 'mythos',
which is closer in meaning  to 'parable', is comparable to
ufology.

Ray

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