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Subject:

Re: At an Impasse

From:

Brian Bourque <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 7 May 2017 10:57:03 -0700

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Great advice from both of you! Thank you very much.

kechpaja wrote:
> So, one thing you could do would be to create a diacritic for /i/ as
> well, and then re-purpose the current /i/ letter to carry the vowel
> diacritics in vowel-initial syllables (if you have those). Then you can
> keep the letter, but you probably won't end up using it nearly as much,
> since (most likely, unless you have a verb vowel-heavy language) most of
> the instances of /i/ will occur in a consonant-initial syllable.

I have a letter which I intended to be a vowel-initial carrier: the glottal
stop. All vowel-initiated words in Lortho begin with a glottal stop
(similar to Arabic and Persian); however I do like the idea of reassigning
the letter to be a vowel carrier in cases where diphthongs are present.

Alex Fink wrote:
> As for your worries about inconsistency of shape, have a look at Ge'ez,
which just embraces
> inconsistency.  Ge'ez is an abugida, but there is enough idiosyncracy in
the way the vowel
> markers accommodate themselves to the particular consonant they're on
that I've never seen
> anyone present it except by giving a complete table of all of the CV
forms.  For example Ge'ez
> /u/ is a stroke sticking out to the right, but it plants itself at
different heights on different letters,
> whatever looks best.  /a/ is usually "extend the right leg" if there is a
right leg, and "grow a
> right leg" if there are no legs, but "bend the leg left at its bottom" if
there's only one leg, and
> attached to /r/ and especially /n/ it's just idiosyncratic.  And so on.

This is a great option. I was thinking about a possible abugida, but I
never thought to research Ge'ez. It looks like this could be the
inspiration I've been looking for. I will do a little more tweaking with
both of your inputs and see if I can find something satisfactory to work
with.


very respectfully,

Brian B. Bourque
SFC, USA (Ret)
(206) 755-1863
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On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Sun, 7 May 2017 18:24:14 +0300, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, May 07, 2017 at 10:18:19AM -0400, Brian Bourque wrote:
> >> Hello everyone. I hope this finds you all in good spirits.
> >>
> >> I am in need of some different perspectives. I have been working on a
> script for my language for some time now and I am still not pleased with
> it; albeit I am pleased with the aesthetics. The way it is currently set
> up, I have 22 letters, one of which is the vowel [i]. My intent was to
> write the other vowels ([ɑ], [ɛ], [o], [u]) as diacritics. My inspiration
> for this was from Hindi and Tibetan. Unfortunately, due to the style of
> script I created, the inconsistency of each letter has made it difficult to
> find (a) suitable diacritic(s) that would work for all letters without
> looking a bit off. I have tested quite the variety of diacritics, none of
> which feel like they do the job the way I have envisioned. So now I am at
> an impasse: Do I eradicate [i] to make a true abjad or do I created letters
> to represent the other vowels to make a true alphabet? Do I redesign [i] to
> look different than it is now? Do I make vowel-consonant marriages into
> ligatures?
> >>
> >> Here is my current pseudo-abjad:
> >>
> >> <http://www.linguifex.com/w/images/c/c5/Lortho_Alphabet.JPG>
> [...]
> >
> >So, one thing you could do would be to create a diacritic for /i/ as
> >well, and then re-purpose the current /i/ letter to carry the vowel
> >diacritics in vowel-initial syllables (if you have those). Then you can
> >keep the letter, but you probably won't end up using it nearly as much,
> >since (most likely, unless you have a verb vowel-heavy language) most of
> >the instances of /i/ will occur in a consonant-initial syllable.
>
> That's a nice idea.  In particular that letter by itself could still have
> the value /i/, regularly, if the diacritic for /i/ was zero.  This would
> cause ambiguities between Ci and coda C elsewhere, though, unless you had
> some other mechanism for codas.  (Or maybe the diacritic for /i/ is along
> the lines of "extend the top of the stem", which wouldn't make a big
> difference to the appearance of that letter.)
>
> Perhaps all your letter for /i/ needs for redesign is to sweep left as it
> falls, to look more like ノ, as the spines of your /t s h b r/ and arguably
> /n/ do now.
>
> As for your worries about inconsistency of shape, have a look at Ge'ez,
> which just embraces inconsistency.  Ge'ez is an abugida, but there is
> enough idiosyncracy in the way the vowel markers accommodate themselves to
> the particular consonant they're on that I've never seen anyone present it
> except by giving a complete table of all of the CV forms.  For example
> Ge'ez /u/ is a stroke sticking out to the right, but it plants itself at
> different heights on different letters, whatever looks best.  /a/ is
> usually "extend the right leg" if there is a right leg, and "grow a right
> leg" if there are no legs, but "bend the leg left at its bottom" if there's
> only one leg, and attached to /r/ and especially /n/ it's just
> idiosyncratic.  And so on.
>
> Alex
>

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