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CONLANG  May 2017, Week 3

CONLANG May 2017, Week 3

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Re: Vulcan, and alien names in general (was: Martial vs Martian)

From:

Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 20 May 2017 00:26:35 +1200

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The only planets that I can think of at this present moment that are
monoclimatic, happen to be Venus and perhaps some of the Jovian moons.

Quoting "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>:

> Monoclimaticity is realistic to a point, but highly unlikely on a
> planet
> that is inhabitable by humans without spacesuits.
> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 07:29 Wesley Parish
> <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
> > It's the old "It was raining on Smerpville that morning" issue. If
> > Smerpville is
> > a planet, then it most probably is raining at any number of places on
> that
> > morning, but not all at once and most emphatically not everywhere at
> once.
> >
> > It's people who don't bother to think issues through.
> >
> > Of course, if said aliens landed in the Sepik or the Fly River
> valleys, he
> > most
> > emphatically would not get that impression, and would need to wait for
> an
> > interpreter before his English-language monolingualism could be put to
> use.
> >
> > Wesley Parish
> >
> > Quoting Melroch <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> > > What really bugs me is that in interplanetary fiction it is almost
> > > always
> > > assumed that alien planets have one language each. Why would they
> when
> > > Earth demonstrably does not. Or one language per species, which is
> just
> > > as
> > > unlikely for much the same reasons. You might argue that to an
> alien
> > > visitor English might seem to be *the* language of Earth/humans,
> but
> > > what
> > > if the aliens happened to land in Russia or South America, or
> China?
> > > Would
> > > they get that impression then?
> > >
> > > /bpj
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 19 maj 2017 00:10 skrev "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>:
> > >
> > > > Canonically, in _Enterprise_, the planet was referred to in the
> > > Vulcan
> > > > language as "Vulkanfi", so it's at least close. Specifically, the
> > > phrase
> > > > "Vulkanfi tozhi dawru" was subtitled as "He wanted to visit
> Vulcan."
> > > >
> > > > The Vulcan scenes in the first two films were shot in English and
> > > > overdubbed with plausible lip-reading matches, but they did
> create
> > > some
> > > > snippets of Vulcan for the third that were actually filmed as
> such.
> > > They
> > > > appeared to do more actual Vulcan language development for
> > > _Enterprise_,
> > > > but I don't know any details; for all I know the -fi could be a
> suffix
> > > that
> > > > creates a homeworld from a people, or an allative, or an
> accusative,
> > > or
> > > > just part of the name
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Matthew George
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Diane Duane's works had the 'Vulcan' homeworld have many names,
> and
> > > also
> > > > > established that Spock's biology was engineered, but there's
> often
> > > a
> > > > > problem making even the various official continuities match.
> Vulcan
> > > has
> > > > no
> > > > > moon - yet has a very large and conspicuous one in the first
> movie.
> > > > Duane
> > > > > solved the problem by pointing out that the technical meaning of
> the
> > > term
> > > > > doesn't mean what most people think it does - and that Earth
> > > doesn't
> > > > have a
> > > > > moon either, strictly speaking. To return the discussion back
> to
> > > > language.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lots of technical terms have divergent meanings from the common
> > > one,
> > > > which
> > > > > leads to some odd problems. Every rose has its thorn, except
> that
> > > roses
> > > > > don't have thorns - to name one example.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > "I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." -
> Ferdinand
> > Sor,
> > Method for Guitar
> >
> > "A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel
> > Goldwyn
> >
>  



"I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor,
Method for Guitar

"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn

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