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CONLANG May 2017, Week 3

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Re: Country names (WAS: Martial vs Martian)

From:

Gage Amonette <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 19 May 2017 08:55:56 -0700

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The name Finland is quite clearly Germanic in its form but I don't think
that I've ever seen a good explanation for its etymology. One place
literally connected it to fish fins that could have been used as some sort
of a marine insignia. I may also have seen it explained as originating from
a personal name in some Scandinavian legend. It's entirely possible that
those legends would populate all foreign lands with people having
Scandinavian names.

I wonder (just random speculation) whether it might have *something* to do
with the Finnesburg fragment or the episode in Beowulf.


On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Jyri Lehtinen <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> 2017-05-19 3:18 GMT+02:00 Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > In at least one, Finland which is Suomenmaa in Finnish, that is because
> > the people who live in that land
> > were named Finns by the Swedes and Danes who explored that area during
> the
> > Viking Age. That is likely
> > to have been the name of one of the tribes encountered during early
> > exploration. (If it had been inland
> > near the Gulf of Finland it might have been Karelland instead. Their own
> > name for themselves was
> > Suomi, cognate with Saami for the Laplanders.
> >
>
> Only no one uses that "maa" part ("land") in Finnish country names except
> occasionally for affected speech.
>
> Country names are useful when you have to differentiate one country from
> another. That's a situation that you get when you have interaction between
> at least two distinct groups of people. As a result, these names are often
> both given and spread by foreigners. Different interactions easily lead to
> different names and especially among close neighbours you can have
> radically different names for countries.
>
> The name Finland is quite clearly Germanic in its form but I don't think
> that I've ever seen a good explanation for its etymology. One place
> literally connected it to fish fins that could have been used as some sort
> of a marine insignia. I may also have seen it explained as originating from
> a personal name in some Scandinavian legend. It's entirely possible that
> those legends would populate all foreign lands with people having
> Scandinavian names.
>
> Suomi itself is originally the name of the south west coastal province and
> has over time come to mean the whole country by extention. It's likely
> cognate with Sámi, in which case it's also cognate with Häme, the name of
> the neighbouring inland area. Originally it's probably a demonym given by
> the Balts.
>
> The standard Finnish name for Estonia is Viro which comes from the name of
> the north east coastal province Virumaa. That's quite simply the whole
> country named for one of the first parts with which you did most of your
> interaction. Similarly, the Finnish (and Estonian) name for Germany is
> Saksa because Saxonians are the first Germans you encounter from the Baltic
> Sea.
>
>    -Jyri
>

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