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CONLANG May 2017, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Tyšwi tyšwi naržis

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 29 May 2017 19:18:49 -0400

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The translation from Japanese is coming along, but I'm not quite sure 
what it means even after translating the words. For these next lines, 
three different English translations have three different meanings.

呪いの掛かった紙人形に 書かれた僕らの名前を消して
noroi no kakatta kami ningyou ni kakareta bokura no namae wo keshite

1. The cursed paper dolls bearing our names are destroyed,
2. All of these paper dolls hold nothing but curses, and they bear the 
names of those who are to be destroyed.
3. Taking the paper doll's curse, our names are erased.

This looks to me like "our names are erased" (bokura no namae wo 
keshite), while the first bit that says something like "written on 
cursed paper dolls" modifies "our names". I can't quite figure out what 
"kakatta" means in this context, but it might make sense if it's 
something along the lines of how in English we might say "paper dolls 
under a curse". So with some additional words to fill in the gaps and to 
get the words to match the rhythm, here's what I've come up with for a 
Tirëlat version:

Vikkabažakan pa maj łerhadeky ni luxarun
avoid-POT-NEG-PF that ACC.PL 1p-name which write-PASS-PF
It is inevitable that our names which are written

ren maj naržin rjuli nu zait mizoj myxyfyžan.
onto ACC.PL curse-PF doll made.of paper at.last erase-PREDICT.NP-PF
onto cursed dolls of paper will at last be erased.

Onto the next line:

妖精の踊る炎の中で 寂しい一人がちりになる さあ
yousei no odoru honoo no naka de samishii hitori ga chiri ni naru 

1. in the flames that dance like fairies as a lonely person turns to dust.
2. In the flames of the fire they dance just like little fairies; as 
another lonely person turns into dust.
3. In the flames where spirits dance, one desolate person burns into dust.

You might think that it makes the most sense for the cursed paper dolls 
to be burning in the flames of the fire, but that's not what I get from 
the syntax of the Japanese lines. It actually seems to be the lonely 
person turning to dust in the flames, but I can't decide whether "the 
flames that dance like fairies" or "the flames where [fairies] dance" is 
a more plausible meaning for "yousei no odoru honoo".

Vaj laaš ni ba suli xrhivini vyvestełan,
LOC.PL flame that like fairy flutter-ly 3p-dance-INFER.NP-PF,
In the flames that dance fluttering like fairies,

iri žarh jĕzavełan my łilli tyšwikeš.
lonely person 3s-become-INFER.NP-PF ACC.SG fragile dust-material
a lonely person turns into fragile dust-material.

The "saa" (さあ) that leads into the next section is translated as "tos" 
in the Tirëlat version. "Tos" is one of those weird consonant-ending 
verbs, which might in a context like this be glossed as "let's go!"

Then the song repeats the same words "chiri" and "pachi" over and over: 
"chiri" means "dust" and "pachipachi" is a crackling sound (from which 
the Pokémon "Pachirisu" gets its name).

ちり ちり ちり ちり ちり ちり ちり ちり 
ちり ちり ちり ちり ちりになって飛んでくの
chiri ni natte tondeku no

ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち 
ぱち ぱち ぱち ぱち 灰になって飛んでくの
hai ni natte tondeku no

The Tirëlat version of these lines is straightforward:
zaven my tyšwi, žui šikin.
turning to dust, flying away.

zaven my banu, žui šikin.
turning to ash, flying away.

Then the song goes into another round of these "chiri" and "pachi" 
lines, but I haven't yet translated that far, so I've left it in Japanese.

Listen to the Tirëlat lines:
https://www.prismnet.com/~hmiller/mp3/test.mp3

The translation so far:
https://www.prismnet.com/~hmiller/lang/Tirelat/tyshwi-tyshwi.html

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