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CONLANG June 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Jabberwocky (was: Waking from a long slumber)

From:

"Paul Schleitwiler, FCM" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:15:59 -0500

Content-Type:

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Per Wikipedia:
"A decade before the publication of *Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Adventures_in_Wonderland>* and the
sequel *Through the Looking-Glass
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_the_Looking-Glass>*, Carroll wrote
the first stanza to what would become "Jabberwocky" while in Croft on Tees
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croft_on_Tees>, close to Darlington
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darlington>, where he lived as a child. It
was printed in 1855 in *Mischmasch
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischmasch>*, a periodical he wrote and
illustrated for the amusement of his family. The piece was titled "Stanza
of Anglo-Saxon Poetry" and read:

Twas bryllyg, and *ye* slythy toves
Did gyre and gymble in *ye* wabe:
All mimsy were *ye* borogoves;
And *ye* mome raths outgrabe.

Carroll wrote the letter-combination *ye* throughout the poem instead of
the word *the*, using the letter Y in place of the letter þ (Thorn)
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28letter%29> in combination with the
superscript E, as in *þe*,[4]
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabberwocky#cite_note-4> a common
abbreviation for the word *the*
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_%28letter%29#Middle_and_Early_Modern_English>
in middle and early modern English, presumably to create a pseudo-archaic
impression."

Since he meant it as an Anglo-Saxon conlang, that should provide clues to
the meaning of obscure words. Like his use of 'ye', probably back formed
from contemporary words.

Guð blessi þig alltaf á öllum vegum,

Paul



On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:45 PM, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > It's interesting to me that so many people parse "brillig" as a time of
> > day, since I had to be told that that was even possible as an
> > interpretation. I always read "'Twas brillig and the slilthy toves did
> > gyre and gimble in the wabe" as being a sentence about a person named
> > Brillig and a group of creatures called slilthy toves, all of whom were
> > gyring and gimbling in the wabe. To me, "did gyre and gimble in the
> > wabe" is an unmarked relative clause, modifying the aforementioned
> > Brillig and the slilthy toves (unmarked subject relativization is
> > normally disallowed in my 'lect, but it wouldn't be the first time Lewis
> > Carroll had made full use of poetic license).
> >
>
> You're missing some punctuation – specifically, an all-important comma. The
> first line of the poem, as originally written, reads thus:
>
>     'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
>
> That comma makes your reading impossible; the "and" can only be joining two
> independent clauses, to wit:
>
> (1) It was brillig.
> and
> (2). The slithy toves [... did something, we haven't gotten the predicate
> yet, see next line].
>
>
>
> > I don't know whether Alex's proposed modifications would have changed my
> > interpretation — you can only read a poem for the first time once, and
> > I've known this one since childhood — but I suspect I would have
> > interpreted "Brilling" as a person as well (capitalization wouldn't have
> > changed anything; the poem was read aloud to me long before I saw it in
> > print).
> >
> > After all, personal names are a much more open class than times of day,
> > so it's natural that a new, weird word would be a name, even if that
> > means putting my interpretation of the syntax through some additional
> > gyrations.
> >
> >  - kechpaja -
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
>

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