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CONLANG  June 2017, Week 3

CONLANG June 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Recursive conlang sentence generator.

From:

Daniel Swanson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:59:57 -0500

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Interesting. I've been working on something kind of similar lately,
although I was generating in the conlang and translating into English.

https://github.com/mr-martian/potential-doodle

(Although posting a link to an incomplete Github repo in a constant state
of flux is admittedly not very likely to be productive.)

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:50:20 -0700, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >I've often thought that it would be fun to be able to have a computer
> >program to do machine translation of English into some conlang. While that
> >remains a pretty lofty goal for now, I thought I'd take a stab a something
> >less intimidating, and more immediately do-able.
> >
> >The idea is that the "meaning" of a sentence is expressed in a
> >computer-like interlingua. This will be a simplistic experiment, and
> >nothing as extoic as Rick Morneau's Lexical Semantics of a Machine
> >Translation Interligua ( http://www.rickmor.x10.mx/lexical_semantics.html
> >). Instead, this will be very much a toy conlang with very modest goals.
>
> I like the idea.  Nice thing to have if you expect to be changing your
> mind about high-level features of your morphology and word order a lot, or
> trying out different alternatives.
>
> Of course you could do the same with a more "exotic" language: not like
> Morneau's with its ambition to be all things to all languages, but just
> with some other set of semantic features deemed important, different to the
> SAE ones.  Specificity instead of your definiteness, evidentiality on the
> verb, what have you.
>
> >CAN() might generate the meaning "can see" by emitting an aux
> >verb, or by inflecting the base verb "see", or by some other structure
> >which it then returns to its caller V(). (Care must be taken to insure
> >lexical disambiguation in cases where the conlang word maps to different
> >semantic territory than the English word.)
>
> Not commenting on Gary's idea here (which can't really help with lexical
> semantics) but just the semantics of this sentence.  The primer-like
> simplicity of "I can see [so and so]" is deceptive!  What, after all, is
> the difference between English "see" and "can see"?  It's slight.  If "can"
> is supposed to convey capability it's a very narrowly construed version
> here: we'd say we "can't see" something even if it's just because it's
> behind an object that could be easily moved aside or peeked around, which
> are more or less the same conditions under which we "don't see" it.  I've
> read that in other languages (I forget which, sadly) the reading is much
> more dramatic, with "can't see" having a force more like "refuses to see as
> if incapable, no matter what", that is "ignores even when shoved in their
> face" or "treats [e.g. a person] as if they're not even there" or similar.
> Not to mention the languages that just don't have a dynamic modality system
> (I think this is a fairly common North American trait?), so even "I can
> swim" would instead be rendered "I swim well" or whatnot.
>
> Alex
>



-- 
Daniel Swanson, Certified Geek

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