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Re: Afterward/ba9dain provenance

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 9 Jul 2017 18:40:42 -0500

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"Jill came tumbling behind" sounds weird to me.

stevo

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:01 PM, stewart fraser <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Actually I think “Jill came tumbling after” is archaic. Translated into
> modern English it would be “Jill came tumbling behind” (the name of the guy
> she was tumbling behind, being elided).
>
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2017, at 7:01 PM, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > On 8 July 2017 at 00:49, Guilherme Holzmann dos Santos <
> [log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Also, as And has noted, there are no languages insofar where ALL lexemes
> >> can be perfectly fit into its PoS
> >> system.
> >>
> >
> > I'd much rather say that all lexemes must be perfectly fitted into the
> PoS
> > system, but the PoS system is as complex as necessary to accommodate all
> > lexemes. One PoS might contain a single lexeme. (That at any rate is how
> > I'd state my view based on the traditional notion of PoSs as classes of
> > lexemes; my actual view is rather different.)
> >
> > On 7 July 2017 at 19:49, Jeffrey Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Midwest American [IL, WI, MN]]  (according to me :)  )
> >>
> >> Normally, I would say: " John came, then Mary came."
> >>
> >> "John came. Afterwards Mary came."  -- Sound stilted, but acceptable.
> >> "John came. After that Mary came."  -- Acceptable.
> >> "John came. After, Mary came." -- No. Unacceptable.
> >
> >
> > So "I'll see you after" sounds very British, and "Jill came tumbling
> after"
> > sounds British and/or archaic?
> >
> > I wonder if, as Ian Spackman suggested, it's the existence of
> _afterwards_
> > that leads to the obsolescence of the grammatically equivalent use of
> > _after_. If so, the lack of 'beforewards' predicts that "John came;
> before,
> > Mary had come." should be okay even for those rejecters of intransitive
> > _after_. Maybe this explanation would also predict that "Jill came
> tumbling
> > after", "John followed after", are acceptable because they're spatial and
> > not covered by the -- temporal -- meaning of _afterwards_. But I also
> kind
> > of expect that the obsolescence of intransitive _after_ will be shared by
> > _before_, so that rejecters of intransitive _after_ will want also to
> > reject intransitive _before_, and replace it by _earlier_ or the like.
> >
> > --And.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
>

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