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CONLANG  July 2017, Week 3

CONLANG July 2017, Week 3

Subject:

Re: 4th person

From:

James Hopkins <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 17 Jul 2017 19:00:28 -0400

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Itlani has the typical 3 person singular and 3 persons plural. It is
pro-drop so freestanding pronouns are only used for emphasis.

An unusual feature of the Itlani verb system is that in the singular the
third person is genderized:

(vuyín) mishyarel - (she) goes
(vun) mishyaror - (he) goes

Non-gendered:

(djur) mishyara - (it) goes

There is also a fourth Person called the *Deific* which refers to the
Creator God. It is not gendered:

(Vu) mishyarad - (?) goes

Tsiasuk (Jim)

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 6:48 PM, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Thank you very much; it's a start. I dread having to go back through all
> my translations and revising them.
> Charlie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: 4th person
>
> On 17 July 2017 at 13:27, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > If any of you use 4th person pronouns in your conlangs, please explain
> to me how you use them.
>
> Valaklwuuxa has very few free pronouns, but it recognizes a fourth
> person in verb agreement and oblique pronouns. The 3rd person in
> Valaklwuuxa is typically used for proximate objects (i.e., things you
> can point to or interact with) and people who are part of the
> discourse, even if they are not currently being addressed (which would
> make them 2nd person), but it  can also be used for highly topical
> things even if they are not actually proximate. The fourth person then
> covers everything else that the English 3rd person usually would-
> people who are excluded from the discourse, things that are distal
> (out of sight, inaccessible), and things that have very low topicality
> / discourse relevance. It also interacts with the animacy hierarchy,
> such that if you have a direct-voice verb marked for 3p+4p, it is
> assumed that the 3rd person referent is something more topical, acting
> on some other less important thing, while a 3p+3p conjugation leaves
> the door open for more ambiguity since both arguments are selected
> from the same set of topical/proximal referents in the discourse.
>
> -l.
>

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