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CONLANG July 2017, Week 3

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Re: 4th person

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:30:14 -0500

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In Saweli-Saxita (and Latejami), the fourth person is a combination of 1st
and 2nd. 5th is 1st + 3rd, 6th is 2nd + 3rd, and 7th is 1st + 2nd + 3rd.
It's all very binary.

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On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 9:20 PM, A Walker Scott <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Lrahran's fourth person pronouns are used for impersonal referents, like
> you (or him or her...or even me!) as the representative of a larger entity.
> Typically it is used when addressing the representative of a guilty
> organization whose individual representative shares no part of the blame,
> and other similar types of situations where one wushes to differentiate
> between the person being addressed and the larger group the individual is a
> part of.
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 17, 2017, Jyri Lehtinen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > I have both reflexive and non-reflexive 3rd person possessive suffixes
> for
> > Kišta which are used both in possessive constructions and in conjugating
> > dependent verb forms, e.g.
> >
> > girl bread-ACC-3.REFL.POSS eat
> > "The girl ate her bread", reflexive possession
> >
> > girl (boy) bread-ACC-3SG.POSS eat
> > "The girl ate the boy's bread. / The girl ate his_j bread." non-reflexive
> > possession
> >
> > I've occasionally thought to label these as 3rd and 4th person possessive
> > suffixes but I'm now confident that calling these reflexive and
> > non-reflexive possessive suffixes is much clearer and to the point.
> >
> >    -Jyri
> >
> >
> > 2017-07-18 0:48 GMT+02:00 C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]
> > <javascript:;>>:
> >
> > > Thank you very much; it's a start. I dread having to go back through
> all
> > > my translations and revising them.
> > > Charlie
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask] <javascript:;>>
> > > To: [log in to unmask] <javascript:;>
> > > Sent: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:29:32 -0400 (EDT)
> > > Subject: Re: 4th person
> > >
> > > On 17 July 2017 at 13:27, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]
> > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > If any of you use 4th person pronouns in your conlangs, please
> explain
> > > to me how you use them.
> > >
> > > Valaklwuuxa has very few free pronouns, but it recognizes a fourth
> > > person in verb agreement and oblique pronouns. The 3rd person in
> > > Valaklwuuxa is typically used for proximate objects (i.e., things you
> > > can point to or interact with) and people who are part of the
> > > discourse, even if they are not currently being addressed (which would
> > > make them 2nd person), but it  can also be used for highly topical
> > > things even if they are not actually proximate. The fourth person then
> > > covers everything else that the English 3rd person usually would-
> > > people who are excluded from the discourse, things that are distal
> > > (out of sight, inaccessible), and things that have very low topicality
> > > / discourse relevance. It also interacts with the animacy hierarchy,
> > > such that if you have a direct-voice verb marked for 3p+4p, it is
> > > assumed that the 3rd person referent is something more topical, acting
> > > on some other less important thing, while a 3p+3p conjugation leaves
> > > the door open for more ambiguity since both arguments are selected
> > > from the same set of topical/proximal referents in the discourse.
> > >
> > > -l.
> > >
> >
>

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