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CONLANG  July 2017, Week 5

CONLANG July 2017, Week 5

Subject:

Re: all-indexing (almost)

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 29 Jul 2017 03:39:39 -0500

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Klingons use base 10 to more easily adopt foreign (i.e., Federation, maybe
other) technology.

stevo (aka lay'tel SIvten)

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:23:40 -0400, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:58:41 -0400, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:22:11 -0400, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>One problem I am having is that words are awkward to pronounce with the
> existing phonology, especially in sequence. I'd like to change the
> phonology, root structure, and/or morphological order, but I haven't come
> up with anything that works (especially if ASCII-only). Here's the current
> morphology:
> >>>
> >>>1. (12) dependent-marking index
> >>>2. (2) polarity
> >>>3. ROOT
> >>>4. (?) derivational
> >>>5. (21) agreement index or pronominal; from 1 to 3 of these slots,
> depending on the stem valence
> >>>6. (4) aspect
> >>>
> >>>Only the root is required for all forms. The # in parentheses is the
> number of possible values. For agreement, the roles are:
> >>>
> >>>1 Subject
> >>>2 Patient, Agent
> >>>3 Theme, Recipient, Donor
> >>
> >>This is a vague suggestion, but how about something less rigid than your
> usual?  Affixes of different lengths for the same category?  Single
> categories whose markings are dispersed at different places in the word:
> maybe some prefixal, others suffixal, or some just adjacent to the root,
> others peripheral?  Reduplication, apophony, templatic morphology, perhaps
> in paradigmatic contrast with affixes or with each other?  Different stems
> for different sets of (say) aspects?
> >>
> >I suppose I should try all that sometime, if it doesn't get too
> confusing. How do those arise historically?
>
> Sure, or one thing at a time -- the answer to "how does this arise" would
> probably be different in each case anyhow.  Oh, and I should have added
> syncretism to the list.
>
> >I don't know if it should be used for an all-indexing language, though,
> since it's probably underlyingly non-human (alien cyborgs?).
>
> If they're cyborgs then that's one thing -- in a cyborg language, for all
> I know, each morphological category would end up in its own reserved band
> of the frequency spectrum.  But any given non-engineered species would
> still have a chance of being susceptible to morphological weirdness like we
> are, I suppose.
>
> (I wonder if anyone has designed the differences in cognition of a
> con-species well enough to actually deduce these sort of consequences for
> their linguistic typology from prior facts.  Probably not: we don't
> understand humans nearly so well.)
>
> >BTW Is there any mathematical or physical reason why non-humans would use
> base 10?
>
> A more 'universal' reason than having a set of ten things in their
> anatomy, or elsewhere readily visible to them?  Not that comes readily to
> mind.  Honestly I wouldn't say that there are strong "mathematical or
> physical" justifications for a base system at all.  They do allow compact
> representation of large integers with a limited alphabet, but that's an
> applied, more engineering-like sort of concern.  And given that mindset,
> reducing the size of the alphabet as small as it will go, to binary (or if
> you want a set of digits balanced under negation then to ternary), is a
> logical next step.
>
> Alex
>

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