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Re: Letter C (was: Reform to Chinese orthography)

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"Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:03:12 +0000

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Yeah, I think that was a misparse. Ray means he knows of no natlang that
uses only C (and no other letter) to represent /k/; however, there several
that use C to represent only /k/ (and no other sound).
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:23 Gage Amonette <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Ah. I see what you're saying now.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:17 AM, Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > On 30/07/2017 23:33, Gage Amonette wrote:
> >
> >> I know of no other natlang orthographies that use _c_ exclusively to
> >>> denote /k/.
> >>>
> >> Old English uses it pretty exclusively, although it is a dead language.
> >>
> >> No, Old English did not use _c_ exclusively to denote _k_.  What we find
> > is:
> >
> > 1. /k/ is normally written as _c_, but occasionally is written as _k_
> > (i.e. /k/
> > is normally but not exclusively witten as -c_).
> >
> > 2. Written _c_ is _not_ always pronounced as /k/.  It was used also to
> > denote /tʃ/.
> > It is true many _modern_ editors mark the latter with a superscript dot
> or,
> > more rarely, a caron or cedilla - but those were not used in Old English
> > (indeed the caron and cedilla hadn't been invented then!).
> >
> > I do not say that no other natlang besides Irish & Scots Gaelic and
> > modern Welsh use _c_ *exclusively* to denote /k/; but I do not know of
> > any.  Old English certainly is not one.
> >
> > Also strictly speaking Classical Latin is not one either for although,
> > after _G_  had been established as a separate letter in Old Latin around
> > 230 BC, the letter _C_ was then exclusively pronounced /k/, the phoneme
> /k/
> > was also written as _K_ fairly regularly in some words; and, of course,
> /k/
> > before /w/ was _Q_  (though some consider _QV_ a separate phonmeme /kʷ/).
> >
> > In the modern world _c_ is used among the world's languages to ddenote a
> > very great variety of quite unrelated sounds. This has been discussed
> > before so I wont attempt to list them here.
> >
> > Ray
> >
>

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