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CONLANG  August 2017, Week 1

CONLANG August 2017, Week 1

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Re: core case syncretism

From:

Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 3 Aug 2017 15:41:43 -0600

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"Direct"! That sounds familiar. Thanks.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:20 PM, kechpaja <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Éykivrin!
>
> If I understand it correctly, Romanian has also merged the Nomative and
> Accusative cases (into a case known as "Direct") and a the Genitive and
> Dative (into a case known as "Indirect"). I believe there is also a
> separate Vocative preserved as well, at least on some nouns.
>
> However, if anyone has a more detailed understanding of Romanian, they
> should feel free to correct me.
>
>  - kechpaja -
>
> On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 03:14:17PM -0600, Dirk Elzinga wrote:
> > Thanks. As I walked to the printer to pick something up, I realized this
> > about English. *facepalm*
> >
> > However, we don't have a name for the case that is in morphological
> > opposition to the genitive or "possessive", do we?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Eyal Minsky-Fenick <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > 2. Yes, English does this — at least, on nouns. (On pronouns, there're
> more
> > > cases — two genitives, a nominative, and an objective [also a reflexive
> > > objective].)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > In what follows, I'm taking nom-acc-gen or erg-abs-gen to be "core
> cases"
> > > > in their respective systems. Other cases such as dative, locative,
> > > > instrumental, etc fall outside the scope of what I'm interested in
> here.
> > > >
> > > > In nominative-accusative systems, it can sometimes come about that
> the
> > > > accusative and genitive cases merge. The result is called the
> "oblique"
> > > > case, and it is morphologically opposed to the nominative case.
> (example:
> > > > Colorado River Numic)
> > > >
> > > > In ergative-absolutive systems, it can sometimes come about that the
> > > > ergative and genitive cases merge. The result is called the
> "relative"
> > > > case, and it is morphologically opposed to the absolutive case.
> (example:
> > > > Central Yup'ik)
> > > >
> > > > In the cursory investigations I've done (snooping around on WALS,
> looking
> > > > at some handbooks on the shelf behind me), I haven't encountered any
> > > > examples of the nominative and accusative cases (or ergative and
> > > absolutive
> > > > cases) merging, leaving behind a single case in opposition to the
> > > genitive
> > > > case. It doesn't strike me as being unusual, so I thought I'd
> address the
> > > > following questions to the hive mind that is CONLANG, knowing that
> many
> > > of
> > > > you have a much greater interest in these sorts of typological
> questions
> > > > than I do:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Is this a recognized path of case syncretism?
> > > > 2. Do you know of languages that instantiate this kind of system?
> > > > 3. What is such a case called?
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate any thoughts you have on this matter.
> > > >
> > > > Dirk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Eyal Joseph Minsky-Fenick
> > > [log in to unmask] (personal)
> > > [log in to unmask] (school)
> > > 203-393-1394 (home)
> > > 203-988-2234 (cell)
> > > 9 Birch Rd., Woodbridge, CT 06525
> > >
> >
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